Vista, just so that we will buy more powerfull computers?

[MoROmeTe]

Ok, it seems that Microsoft is really pushing it. We, gamers, will always be top dogs when it comes to hardware. But now it seems that Microsoft really wants everyone to go out and buy powerful computers so that they can run Vista...

I got my news here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4996998.stm

Scroll down and see the minimum and recommended hardware specs... 15 GB of hard-drive! Does it make fries? Come on... I understand the need for hardware manufacturers to sell their new gadgets, but this is, in my view, to much already...

[Sidus Preclarum]

There is an annoying trend in software designing, that instead of having the same working products being made more effective and cheaper, the industry chose to churn ever fancier versions that are ever more demanding on computer power, cost of course more and incidentally, usually work worse out of the box than the previous installment ...
I mean, do we really need fancy interfaces and skins in utilities!?

[Lusted]

Well its lucky i've been saving up so i can build a new computer in the summer, i've been putting it off until i knew more about the Vista specs, and it looks like im going to have to spend more that i wanted to to get one that will play it comfortably, so im aiming above the recommended specs quite a bit.

[MoROmeTe]

I believe the term "bloatware" as in "80% of the features you'll never use" can now be applied also to hardware and not only to software...

In effect processors are faster, memories and harddisks bigger, video cards more powerfull but not because there's a real need for them, but because they really need to sell and get profits. And software designers are playing this game by creating software with ourageous requirements to kind of justify this trend...

[Belisarius]

Arent the standard Pentium 4 Computers Something like 3Ghz (well mine is ) The Other "Upgrades dont seem that huge to me, I'm planning an Oblivion Upgrade anyway. :original:

[Ahlerich]

i dont think i want to upgrade to vista in the next 3 years..i d like to upgrade for games like m2tw though...

[krazykarl]

it remains to be seen weather the increase in min specs (which is high, but not really that high) means an increase in preformence across the board, will they add transparent 64bit support? (so you can run programs in either 32 or 64 bit mode) and the graphics hardware is only required if you use thier new interface.

[mac89]

What and how much should i upgrade my PC if I want it to run smooth?

[Ragabash]

What and how much should i upgrade my PC if I want it to run smooth?

Basically you will need to renew your whole computer to run windows.

You need 2042 memory. This means you need one giga more what you have now, and if you want to have faster memory you have now you need whole two gigas of new memory to get benefit from it.

Processor should be 3GHz or higher.

Video card must have 256MB and it must be PCI slot sort of.

Getting new processor and new video card that is PCI (unless you have PCI slot motherboard already) means that you will have to get new motherbaord.

Upgrading system for new OS is just a way to make people buy new parts. It's just business, without that hardware business would be in real trouble. Same goes with cars, and with all the patents that oil companies own for new technologies that would allow us use cars without polluting oil being part of it. But lets not go fot that, thats completely different strorie :original:

[fallingstar]

Basically you will need to renew your whole computer to run windows.

You need 2042 memory. This means you need one giga more what you have now, and if you want to have faster memory you have now you need whole two gigas of new memory to get benefit from it.

Processor should be 3GHz or higher.

Video card must have 256MB and it must be PCI slot sort of.

Getting new processor and new video card that is PCI (unless you have PCI slot motherboard already) means that you will have to get new motherbaord.

Upgrading system for new OS is just a way to make people buy new parts. It's just business, without that hardware business would be in real trouble. Same goes with cars, and with all the patents that oil companies own for new technologies that would allow us use cars without polluting oil being part of it. But lets not go fot that, thats completely different strorie :original:

PCI? Is that the express version we are talking about?

[caratacus]

What!!!!!!!! I've just forked out for a new AGP graphics card to upgrade my Pentium 4 3ghz to put off having to buy another computer.
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Proximus]

Basically you will need to renew your whole computer to run windows.

You need 2042 memory. This means you need one giga more what you have now, and if you want to have faster memory you have now you need whole two gigas of new memory to get benefit from it.

Processor should be 3GHz or higher.

Video card must have 256MB and it must be PCI slot sort of.

Getting new processor and new video card that is PCI (unless you have PCI slot motherboard already) means that you will have to get new motherbaord.

Hmm, no?

Minimum Recommended
Processor 800MHz 1GHz 32 or 64 bit
System Memory 512MB 1GB
Graphics card DirectX 9 capable Runs Windows Aero
Graphics Memory ---- 128MB
Free space on Hard Drive 15GB 15GB
Source: Microsoft

[Ragabash]

Hmm, no?

Minimum Recommended
Processor 800MHz 1GHz 32 or 64 bit
System Memory 512MB 1GB
Graphics card DirectX 9 capable Runs Windows Aero
Graphics Memory ---- 128MB
Free space on Hard Drive 15GB 15GB
Source: Microsoft

This is Microsoft way to please major population of customers, and get them buy new windows even if they have an older computer. Windows Vista could could work with these specs you are giving, but far from enjoyable. I would have to remember you, that even with recommended settings you couldnt really play new games, or speaking of doing video editing or other heavy work with these settings. It's fact that with these recommended settings Vista could work, but can you do anything else than run windows with these settings is another matter. Also it have been rumored that these settings are only to raise, as closer rlease we are coming. Of course I could be all wrong. What I have heard and seen regarding Windows Vista is that it will be huge resource hag. :usflag:

Nigel Page is a strategist with Microsoft Australia. He told APC today that Vista would work best on a video card with more than 256MB RAM, 2GB of DDR3 memory and a S-ATA 2 hard drive.

Vista's requirements in summary

"In a 32 bit environment, half a gig of RAM is heaps. It's going to fly. For 64 bit you're going to want 2 gigs of DDR3 RAM.

"If you move from 32 to 64 bit, you basically need to at least double your memory. 2 gigs in 64 bit is the equivalent of a gig of RAM on a 32bit machine. That's because you're dealing with chunks that are twice the size, if you try to make do with what you've got you'll see less performance. But RAM is now so cheap, it's hardly an issue.

"In terms of disks, you're really going to want S-ATA 2hard drives with NCQ capability because it gives the OS the ability to get on with stuff while disk tasks complete. All the tier 1 and tier 2 vendors can provide this capability today.

"Thirdly, the graphics card and system bus is essential. PCI x16 is going to be very important. Any of today's 3D GPUs will be fine, we're not waiting for some mystical monster that may or may not come out. But they need to have 128MB of RAM on it. If they've only got 64 don't panic.

"We acknowledge that many corporate notebooks have fairly low-end integrated graphics chips. They're not exactly high performance graphics systems. For those users, we will provide a classic UI that looks like XP, and then we will have Aero that will start to make use of the GPU, and then there's Aero Glass that will demand the higher level.

"We are talking a year out here, so I have no doubt the vendors will address this in that period of time.

Remember this is Microsoft point of view what will be requirements. Most likely requirements for smooth using of Vista will be a bit higher than in this article we see.

Full article here.

http://www.apcstart.com/teched/pivot/entry.php?id=6

EDIT:

PCI? Is that the express version we are talking about?

Yes, I was meaning PCI Express.

[Darkragnar]

What and how much should i upgrade my PC if I want it to run smooth?

This should help you and anyone else wondering what spec's to get.


http://skoar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1825&start=0

this is a very in your face article so dont feel bad if your rig dosnt stand up amogsnt the systems mentioned here.

if u want to read a more mellowed version of the above go here.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...ahardware.mspx

Some Quotes from the article for people who dont want to read the whole thing.

CPU: While Microsoft claims that any mid-range (read above 2.4GHz from Intel or above a 2500+) CPU can run Vista, they recommend you either jump on the 64-bit or the Dual Core CPUs, preferably the latter, which can deliver much more performance. If you have a 2.4GHz HT enabled CPU, I suspect you are set for the MSR on that end, although an upgrade to at least a 3500+ or a 3800+ Dual Core is in order by the beginning of next year.

Memory: MSR is 512 MB, but thats the same as saying Windows XP required only 128 MB of RAM, and while thats "technically" true, you need at least two steps higher than that to get the best out of the OS. So, while 512 MB is the minimum, better have at least 1 GB if you want a good experience, and preferably 2 GB - 4 GB by the time you'll be running Vista Ultimate, considering that for 64-bit and DC processors, you will be pushing all the more data, so high-speed, low-latency RAMs really will help. 4 GB will become commonplace if you want to run demanding games like Crysis on Vista.

Graphics: Technically any DX9 card with 64 MB of video memory is enough, but if you REALLY want to experience the eyecandy of the OS and Aero Glass, you need a GOOD DX9 card with at least 128 MB of RAM. Of course, if you're a gamer, you would have moved to at least the 512 MB standard that would be common by the beginning of 2007, not to mention at least a mid end 7 series or a X1K card by that time, considering the games

Storage: PATA is officially out, and for the best experience, you will need a high capacity, high-rpm SATA2 HDD with support for 3GB/s bandwidth and NCQ. Even if you have a SATA drive, you're all set.

If you, as a gamer, want to experience all that Vista Ultimate Edition has to offer, here's what you ideally need. The closer your PC is to these specs, the better:
AMD X2 4400+ Dual Core on the AM2 line
At least 2 GB of DDR2 RAM
Mid-end DX10 card or a high end DX9 card
160 GB SATA2 HDD

[fallingstar]

This should help you and anyone else wondering what spec's to get.


http://skoar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1825&start=0

this is a very in your face article so dont feel bad if your rig dosnt stand up amogsnt the systems mentioned here.

if u want to read a more mellowed version of the above go here.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...ahardware.mspx

Some Quotes from the article for people who dont want to read the whole thing.

Most of the specs listed are way out of my pc performance.

[Mr.Flint]

Vista will be the end of Microsoft era for me. When XP will become unusable im finally making the move to Linux...
screw Microsoft.

[bigfootedfred]

in the note of software.

I am so sick, of every sodding package i buy putting 20 extra programs in the taskbar, and extra 15 or so procesess running.
No, I didnt by A CD/DVD writing program, so it could run in the background all the time.
No i dont want 3 million things in my bloody taskbar.

Almost every piece of software seems to do this now.
If you let them have their way, you'd have 60-70 things runnning in the taskbar, and 70 or so running processes.
It drives me up the wall. I dont know what i would do without Msconfig.

[krazykarl]

Vista will be the end of Microsoft era for me. When XP will become unusable im finally making the move to Linux...
screw Microsoft.

I uttered those exact same sentiments about XP when I was using 98, guess what...... I am still using Windows XP.

All I am hoping for is an OS with a good integrated firewall and AV system that doesnt lag the system down. The new user management (I hope) will prove useful, as the way user privliages is done currently seems to be more of an "all or nothing" approach to rights with no middle ground.

[Mr.Flint]

I uttered those exact same sentiments about XP when I was using 98, guess what...... I am still using Windows XP.

All I am hoping for is an OS with a good integrated firewall and AV system that doesnt lag the system down. The new user management (I hope) will prove useful, as the way user privliages is done currently seems to be more of an "all or nothing" approach to rights with no middle ground.

Back then Linux was much less "User Friendly" and software and hardware compatibilty was a serious issue,
Linux went a long way from what it was back then....
so no i will not make a move to Vista, its memory usage puts me off enough to make the switch...

[Hadrian]

Wow.Instead of making Vista more efficient and effective, it sounds like they focused on making it....eye candy.Thats great, just great.

I don't see any way of getting around intergrated security being a drain on RAM,especially with the current frivolous tendancies of Microsoft....