"Clean" vs "Bawdy" stand-up comedy

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    Maximinus Thrax said: December 30, 2011 04:20 AM

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    I'm under the impression that a big part of today's stand-up comedians are trying to conceal their artistic mediocrity behind the coarser approach. One can no longer call himself a comedian if he/she doesn't make use of obscene language and racial slurs. Until a couple of decades ago, this sort of comedy used to be performed at private events, nowadays it's the norm. I guess it's easier this way to churn out new material if you lack the wit for it.
     

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    Inhuman One said: December 30, 2011 05:00 AM

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    Depends on the person and pretty much their motivations behind it. Some are bawdy to go against the whole political correct stuff that many people grow tired of while others think obscene language is cool.

    Hans Teeuwen said it best in a tv show when a moslima asked him about why he says things that are offensive to others. He said no one is forced to watch his shows and can just watch something else if they feel it offends them, saying he wouldn't watch something on tv he's not interested in either.
     

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    Karklos said: December 30, 2011 05:05 AM

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    As long as it is funny I don't care. I am not easily offended.
     

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    Manco said: December 30, 2011 05:19 AM

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    I think it's rather narrow-minded to assume coarse language points to a lack of artistic merit or wit.
    Some day I'll actually write all the reviews I keep promising...
     

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    The Doubtful Guest said: December 30, 2011 10:48 AM

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    Clean, I can't stand dirty standup. Although, I must say I'm not too crazy about standup in general.



     

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    Maximinus Thrax said: December 30, 2011 11:53 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inhuman One View Post
    Depends on the person and pretty much their motivations behind it. Some are bawdy to go against the whole political correct stuff that many people grow tired of
    That's why George Carlin will always be remembered as one of the best. But then again, I consider him to be more than a mere stand-up comedian, he was a purveyor of truth after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manco View Post
    I think it's rather narrow-minded to assume coarse language points to a lack of artistic merit or wit.
    As long as most of these people will jump on the bandwagon and use that kind of mannerism only because of the shock value then their act can be considered meaningless.
     

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    LSJ said: December 30, 2011 02:23 PM

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    It is important how profanity and slurs are used. Using the n-word in a joke that is about schools is a stupid decision because it adds nothing to the impact. Using the f-word constantly because it is part of the 'character' is also stupid to me. How is the word contributing to the act?

    I do not understand how people find George Carlin funny. Curse words are just words. They aren't intrinsically funny, and he never employed them in a clever way. He'd just drop them everywhere or talk about them, and for some reason the audience would giggle like little kids. His humour on social matters and 'observations' was dry as hell. Different humour for different folks.
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    Dr. Croccer said: December 30, 2011 11:28 AM

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    There are plenty of comedians who use coarse language to its full comedic effect, like Billy Connolly and C.K. Louis.

    But it's true that there are way too many ''comedians'' these days who think that just constant random swearing and saying controversial and obscene things is a substitute for actual humour.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones
     

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    Himster said: January 01, 2012 10:26 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    But it's true that there are way too many ''comedians'' these days who think that just constant random swearing and saying controversial and obscene things is a substitute for actual humour.
    Yeah, but is that any worse than Dane Cook and comedians like him, unfunny is just unfunny.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
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    Dr. Croccer said: January 02, 2012 02:13 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himster View Post
    Yeah, but is that any worse than Dane Cook and comedians like him, unfunny is just unfunny.
    Yeah, but this is especially annoying because it's become a trend to be insulting and controversial without any humor or wit to it. The Roast Of and ''comedians'' like Jim Jefferies and Bob Saget being the epitome of this. They're so obsessed with being ''politically incorrect'' (like too many these days) that they're just completely unfunny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones
     

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    Kanaric said: January 02, 2012 06:10 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himster View Post
    Yeah, but is that any worse than Dane Cook and comedians like him, unfunny is just unfunny.
    I dont remember dane cook ever swearing, i just remember him being an idiot.
    Swear filters are for sites run by immature children.
     

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    Himster said: January 03, 2012 06:43 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Yeah, but this is especially annoying because it's become a trend to be insulting and controversial without any humor or wit to it. The Roast Of and ''comedians'' like Jim Jefferies and Bob Saget being the epitome of this. They're so obsessed with being ''politically incorrect'' (like too many these days) that they're just completely unfunny.
    Of course they suck, but that's because they suck, not simply because they're vulgar, a far higher percentage of "clean" comedians are crap.

    I think adding vulgarity to one's repetoire is is comparable to a painter adding a broader spectrum of colour to his/her pallette: if the artist is skilled the added spectrum will improve his/her work, if the painter is unskilled his work would just be an eye-aching mess. Like-wise a skilled artist with a limited pallette can thrive within the boundaries he/she makes (like rembrandt/Stewart Francis, it requires immense skill, fore-thought and is incredibly rare), an unskilled painter with a limited pallette will end up with stick-figures, flat and uncompelling (Martin creed/carrot-top).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    I dont remember dane cook ever swearing, i just remember him being an idiot.
    Exactly, he's a clean comedian who is .
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
    -Betrand Russell
     

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    Kamos said: December 30, 2011 03:24 PM

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    It varies on presentation and use really. Difficult to pin. Clean can lead to it being to dry but bawdy can get to be a bit repugnant.
    A good mix is generally the best.
     

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    the_mango55 said: December 31, 2011 12:49 PM

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    I'm not necessarily against course humor but I find comedy funnier when it doesn't rely on vulgarity. It can BE vulgar, but if you take the cursing out would it still be funny?

    Mitch Hedburg jokes for example, he often cursed during them but they were just as funny when he didn't (like if he was on a talk show or something)
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