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    There is this film director, named Ridley Scott that manages to get on my nerves almost every year since 1977. Is is not that his movies are outright bad (well not all of them) but that fact that he always manages to muddle whatever project he's involved with, using ecxessive style over minimal and tedious substance. And he almost always gets away with it, because he manages (or he's lucky enough) to make people focus on the pizzaz and ignore the bad craftsmanship. I sincerely hope that his reign of pedantic moralism is at an end, and let's face it, if one wants pedantic moralism and visual effects there is always Spielberg...

    So let's have a look at my grievances and complaints list:

    1.The Duellists (1977)

    This is the one I like. It plays like a poor man's Barry Lyndon at times but stil no one should expect more from a young director, and unlike all his others movies it even has a couple of funny moments. Oh yes forgot to tell you that, funny and Ridley are at eachothers throats since...

    2.He gets away for the first time with Alien (1979). A run of the mill claustrophbic and slightly messy affair is saved by the creature design (H.R. Giger) who is not even credited with the designs for the spaceship and the amazing eggs storage and the famous fossilised alien navigator

    but it's just the start of trend to fail to give proper credits to people who's ideas and work he ripped off. So despite the sloppy acting, and sloppier direction the movie comes at a time of dearth for sci-fi horror movies, becomes an instant cult classic and gets copied a thousand times.

    3. Ok the first version of Blade Runner (1982) is not entirely his fault. The studio rejected the movie that was then re-edited and a murky and annoying voice over was added to be restored 10 years later with a Director's cut. Still the movie owns everything to the Art direction and the special effects. Scott presents a watered down, heavy handed take of the excellent Philip K. Dick's novel (Do androids dream of electric sheep?) removing all the sociological background to make it essentially a police action love story with the usual pompous mumbo jumbo that his characters love to produce:

    "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. "

    "The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long and you have burned so very, very brightly Roy. Look at you, you're the prodigal son, you're quite a prize."
    I cannot stop thinking what Fincher (the fight club) or even Singer (Usual Suspects) would have made of this material...

    4. Thankfully Scott goes then into 15 years of desperate crap with the almost exception of the oversentimental Thelma & Louise (1991). Of course he fails to give any credit to Easy Rider the concept of which he clumsily ripps off. The rest are "masterpieces" of all sorts:
    G.I. Jane (1997)
    White Squall (1996)
    1492: Conquest of Paradise (1992)
    Black Rain (1989)
    Someone to Watch Over Me (1987)
    Legend (1985)


    And when you thought he's well on his way to oblivion, the Ridley hits the fan one more with the most overrated movie in the history of overrated movies ever:

    5.Gladiator(2000)

    A straight rip-off from The Fall of the Roman Empire (1964) not to mention Spartacus and Ben-Hur, with plenty of tedious special effects, gets saved by the bovine eyes of Russel Crow, and 2 decades of longing for a good ol' sword and sandals epic. Ridley films the arena as a WWF parade of freaks, drowns everything is overcast skies and sepia tones, throws in the most pompous dialogue imaginable, fails to use the original ending with the entrance of Maximus Legion's to Rome (and don't anyone says THIS would be ahistorical...lol) and opts for a weepy preposterous scene with Senators, women children and Praetorians solemnly parade the Coliseum sands...

    Did he got a reprimand? A big loud laugh that would send him back to obsurity? Nope he got world fame and 4 Oscar awards. Hopefully his coleagues were careful enough to avoid the Best Director one...

    Or as the venerable Roger Ebert put it nicely:

    That's enough for the provinces, but not for Rome.

    A foolish choice in art direction casts a pall over Ridley Scott's "Gladiator" that no swordplay can cut through. The film looks muddy, fuzzy and indistinct. Its colors are mud tones at the drab end of the palette, and it seems to have been filmed on grim and overcast days. This darkness and a lack of detail in the long shots helps obscure shabby special effects (the Colosseum in Rome looks like a model from a computer game), and the characters bring no cheer: They're bitter, vengeful, depressed. By the end of this long film, I would have traded any given gladiatorial victory for just one shot of blue skies. (There are blue skies in the hero's dreams of long-ago happiness, but that proves the point.) The story line is "Rocky" on downers."Gladiator" is being hailed by those with short memories as the equal of "Spartacus" and "Ben-Hur." This is more like "Spartacus Lite." Or dark.
    6. 2001 0ne was a good year for Ridley. Instead od the usual tripe, he went beyond himself to make two dire attempts at film making. For the first Hannibal the least we think or say the better. Michael Mann and Ted Demme demonstrated how exactly to film a Hannibal Lecter movie. Twice. Instead Ridley opted for the same tired atmosphercs he keeps throwing at us since Black rain, with fog upon mist grim streets and grimer characters, and a plot beyond confusion that begs for someone to kill the whole the cast so we don't have to suffer those 120 minutes. In the Silence of the Lambs the light was more terrifying than any darkness RS brought on screen but most importantly, you cared for the characters. Which is not our hero's best feature and it brings us to:
    Black Hawk down. How this war porn left the cutting room is beyond belief. I mean there are all kinds of war movies out there that prety much covered all the aspets of what RS was filmimg and much better. The company of soldiers (Platoon,Hurtgen Forrest, Das Boot,Casualties of war, We were soldiers), the visceral battle experience (Saving private Ryan, Iron Cross) the futility of the conflict (Apoclypse now, Full Metal Jacket) all that had been shown. Did RS attempted one of these well trodden paths? Well yes and no. Yes becaused he used every cliche in the book, threw in al the rising Holywood star power, and invested heavily in atmosherics (again). But somewhere between the "one bullet per nanosecond" reasoning, the disposable enemy, and the silly political sermon all sympathy for the soldiers disappear. This was filmaking by the numbers at its worst, exactly like a porn movie. Relentless action, absence of plot.

    7. After the unfun and easily forgettable Machstick men, finally came the long expected hour where nothing of the previous gimmics worked. In 2005 Ridley decides to take a potshot at the Crusades with Kingdom of Heaven . Well this was a true Ridley moment: Orlando Bloom did not have even the bovine quality of Crow, there were no sentimentals to excuse his political idiocy as in BHD, the battles were a step back from LOTR, the plotholes were not nicely drapped in sepia gimmicery and weepy music and the whole show bombed at the box office.

    The end? Well we said so in 1982, and we jinxed the whole thing. I will refrain from any prediction...

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    Well I'm no expert on Scott, but I completely agree with you when it comes to Gladiator. I have tried to watch it and understand what's so good about it countless times, but I'm always met with utter disappointment. It really is complete rubbish, and unbelievably overrated.
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    And when you thought he's well on his way to oblivion, the Ridley hits the fan one more with the most overrated movie in the history of overrated movies ever:

    5.Gladiator(2000)

    A straight rip-off from The Fall of the Roman Empire (1964) not to mention Spartacus and Ben-Hur, with plenty of tedious special effects, gets saved by the bovine eyes of Russel Crow, and 2 decades of longing for a good ol' sword and sandals epic. Ridley films the arena as a WWF parade of freaks, drowns everything is overcast skies and sepia tones, throws in the most pompous dialogue imaginable, fails to use the original ending with the entrance of Maximus Legion's to Rome (and don't anyone says THIS would be ahistorical...lol) and opts for a weepy preposterous scene with Senators, women children and Praetorians solemnly parade the Coliseum sands...
    I'm so glad we agree on Gladiator. It had great visual effects sure, but the plot and the way the story progressed was terrible. The acting and the dialogues felt overly theatrical, it was as if Ridley had planned to make every sentence a memorable quote that would people remember.. so he really tried to force viewers to pick up quotes.


    For the first Hannibal the least we think or say the better. Michael Mann and Ted Demme demonstrated how exactly to film a Hannibal Lecter movie. Twice. Instead Ridley opted for the same tired atmosphercs he keeps throwing at us since Black rain, with fog upon mist grim streets and grimer characters, and a plot beyond confusion that begs for someone to kill the whole the cast so we don't have to suffer those 120 minutes
    yes! we agree on this too!

    I hated Ridleys hannibal lecter movie...it was without doubt the worst crap I've ever seen.
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    The only reason I watch Gladiator is for the opening battle and the gladiator fights. The rest of the movie needs to be edited with a good pair of scissors.

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    Very good thread. While I don't feel quite so strongly about all of Scott's work, I agree with some of your criticisms such as on Gladiator. Especially after repeated viewing the flaws become obvious and it's hard to imagine why exactly people love and worship it so much.

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    Hmm.

    The thing is, what else is there? If you want to see a good swords & sandals, where do you turn? Or a good war movie for that matter?

    Hollywood spews out complete poo, and what's worse, its being mimicked around the world. You know why? Because we, the viewers, set the bar too low. It still amazes me, that I don't think I've seen a single good war movie of any kind from Hollywood (well ok, there are a couple of exceptions) that had a good plot, stuck to historical accuracy and looked good. I bet I could come up with scripts that are better, more interesting and truer to actual history.

    Screw you Hollywood and all the brainless drones that keep it running in its present state.
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    It's true Wil that a good S&S is a rare beast at least since Spartacus. Now about war movies I wouls recommend the Battle of Hurtgen forest (When trumpets fade) the Cross of Iron, Das Boot, and if you think Hollywood there is always Apocalypse now. A very enjoyble movie (courtesy of the Red army who provided thousands of extras) was Waterloo by Bondarcuk (sp?)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbarsardar
    It's true Wil that a good S&S is a rare beast at least since Spartacus. Now about war movies I wouls recommend the Battle of Hurtgen forest (When trumpets fade) the Cross of Iron, Das Boot, and if you think Hollywood there is always Apocalypse now. A very enjoyble movie (courtesy of the Red army who provided thousands of extras) was Waterloo by Bondarcuk (sp?)...
    But that's what I mean, the good ones are countable with the fingers of one hand. There is actually a Finnish war movie in the making, but it won't come out until late 2007.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilpuri
    Hollywood spews out complete poo, and what's worse, its being mimicked around the world. You know why? Because we, the viewers, set the bar too low. It still amazes me, that I don't think I've seen a single good war movie of any kind from Hollywood (well ok, there are a couple of exceptions) that had a good plot, stuck to historical accuracy and looked good. I bet I could come up with scripts that are better, more interesting and truer to actual history.

    Derrr, how 'bout Braveheart?

    Kidding, I cannot remember a good war movie in a long time, but I loved the depiction of Hitler's last days in "Downfall".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna
    Kidding, I cannot remember a good war movie in a long time, but I loved the depiction of Hitler's last days in "Downfall".
    Der Untergang wasn't made in Hollywood, as far as I can remember :wink:
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    Oh no.. not another bashing thread.....

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    Das Boot is awsome. I hope to correct this aparent lack of good war movies for holywood, eventually. I'm currentlly working on a script for a movie bassed on Stalingrad. I realize that it may never see the light of day (and that there are a lot of movies about the battle already), but its nice to have a goal ne?

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    stalingrad has been overdone to be honest...you should pick another battle.

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    Hmmmmm...Kursk? At least I think that is what it is called.

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    Hmmmmm...Kursk? At least I think that is what it is called.
    Yeah, Kursk was the biggest tank battle of ww2. It would be awesome to watch an epic war film with mighty tanks rolling across the soviet plains and blasting other tanks to pieces.

    I think I just like a different style of movie than you guys
    yeah, shallow ones

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    Hmm, I liked Gladiator and Kingdom of Heaven. In fact, I loved Gladiator. Excellent movie, didn't find it tedious at all. I thought the script was well written. I think I just like a different style of movie than you guys

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    I love Gladiator. Why? Mainly because it's the only 'serious' movie about the Roman empire made in the last twenty years (I liked Rome, though I only saw 1/3 of it). The gladiatorial fights are nice to see, the battle against the Marcomanni is very good, better than in any other film about Rome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Baron
    I love Gladiator. Why? Mainly because it's the only 'serious' movie about the Roman empire made in the last twenty years (I liked Rome, though I only saw 1/3 of it). The gladiatorial fights are nice to see, the battle against the Marcomanni is very good, better than in any other film about Rome.
    The Gladiator fight in Rome is much better than anything that you'll see in The Gladiator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Armfelt
    The Gladiator fight in Rome is much better than anything that you'll see in The Gladiator.
    The only gladiator fight I saw in Rome was between Pullo (ater supported by Vorenus) and a few gladiators. Jeez, I almost had a heart attack! It was the most beautiful fighting scene I have ever seen, my mom was quite stunned when I shouted 'kill the ****ing bastards, Pullo! Let your cold sword feel the weak flesh of these *******s!' We could almost feel the blood of the gladiators in our hands. Too bad I couldn't watch the other shows (was too busy back then).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Armfelt
    The Gladiator fight in Rome is much better than anything that you'll see in The Gladiator.
    I agree. Scott opted for very close shots and extreme editing, that put you "in the fight" without opting for any long shots that would give a clear image of what is happening...

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