Hypothetical question: What new factions would you like?

[EvilNed]

England
France
Scotland
Holy Roman Empire
Denmark
Spain
Portugal
Milan
Venice
Papal States
Sicily
Poland
Russia
Hungary
Byzantium
The Turks
Egypt
The Moors
The Mongols
The Tumurids
The Aztecs

Those are twenty-one factions in the game. But let's say the rumours are true, and CA managed to up the faction limit to 30. That means you can add 9 new factions. Which ones would you add?

I would add Lithaunia, since they were pretty darn big during the Medieval period. And maybe Sweden, which didn't play a big part in the Middle Ages but during the 16th century (which the game takes a taste of) they were a military superpower. Divide Russia into two and add Kievan Rus and Novgorod.

Another split up, instead of Spain I'd have Castille and Aragon. That gives me 25 factions. Have to choose carefully now.

Cumans, I think. They were not a huge influence, but nonetheless they were there and would be a pretty interesting faction to play. Switzerland as an emerging faction, with many pikemen units. Armenia, with many heavy cavalry units. Up to 28 now. Two more. Why not go with the Maya? Add a Mayan city state south of the Aztecs. They were that powerful in this period, but if I've got the faction slots then why not spice thigs up down there. Last, and geographically least, I'd very much like a Crusader kingdom. Just imagine starting out in High Period as a christian kingdom down in Outremer. That'd be a challenge!

[God]

I had a good idea for factions.

Everyone wants their country in the game, but if everyone had their way there would be about a million factions.

So why don't they just keep all the major factions but add an option to take a group of rebels (such as the Silurian rebels in RTW who control Wales) and turn it into a proper playable faction - but all other groups of rebels just stay rebels. That way, only one new faction would be added.

There must be some sort of flaw in this idea...

[Sitarus Originalus PM-30+]

are the aztecs really playable? i thought they arent....

[Scarlett Letterman]

I'd like to see Spain split up into Aragon and Castille. Aragon was in MTW1 so why the devolution? Its fairly well known in the west that Spain did not unite until 1492, so this is an easy choice.

My second choice is something in the east, either a Serbia or Lithuania or something, i dont want the west to be faction heavy compared to the east.

[therussian]

Ok, here's what I would do

1) Split "Russia" into Novgorod and Kiev
2) Add Cilician Armenia
3) Add Lithuania
4) Add Bohemia
5) Divide "Spain" into Castille-Leon and Aragon


That's about it for now.

[Kscott]

1) Split "Russia" into Novgorod and Kiev

why? At the start date Kiev owned all the principalities as you know

2) Add Cilician Armenia

as a mongolian ***** state :laughing:

3) Add Lithuania

Ive argued this way to many times

4) Add Bohemia

fair enough, but if so Id like Burgundy too

5) Divide "Spain" into Castille-Leon and Aragon

Im rather positive the spain in game does not own Aragon. Aragon will prolly be rebel

[therussian]

why? At the start date Kiev owned all the principalities as you know

as a mongolian ***** state :laughing:

Ive argued this way to many times

fair enough, but if so Id like Burgundy too

Im rather positive the spain in game does not own Aragon. Aragon will prolly be rebel

As an emergent faction

Cilician Armenia was never under the domination of the Mongols. They were allies.

Fair enough

That's why I think Aragon should be seperate.

[JANOSIK007]

I like the idea of major factions only.

This category should include: England, France, HRE, Castille, Aragon, Poland, Hungary, Bohemia, Lithuania, Kiev, Byzantium, Turks (Seljuks to Ottomans), Egypt, Almohavids, and Papacy.

These are the major European players throughout the medieval epoch. Except for Papacy (for obvious reasons), all of these have the potential, as they have demonstrated throughout history, to expand, conquer far beyond their borders.

This also spread the factions more evenly, which makes for more exciting gameplay.

That's why I think Bohemia and Lithuania are integral to the present list. And if we are adding faction, Rus should be split and not called Russia.

[Holger Danske]

I like the idea of major factions only.

This category should include: England, France, HRE, Castille, Aragon, Poland, Hungary, Bohemia, Lithuania, Kiev, Byzantium, Turks (Seljuks to Ottomans), Egypt, Almohavids, and Papacy.

These are the major European players throughout the medieval epoch. Except for Papacy (for obvious reasons), all of these have the potential, as they have demonstrated throughout history, to expand, conquer far beyond their borders.

This also spread the factions more evenly, which makes for more exciting gameplay.

That's why I think Bohemia and Lithuania are integral to the present list. And if we are adding faction, Rus should be split and not called Russia.

And where would you then put Denmark? They are also a major faction that had major influence on the northern part of europe during this time!

[Last Roman]

I'd add:

1. Cicilian Armenia
2. Split the Russian faction into Novgorod and Kiev
3. Split the Spanish faction into Castille and Aragon
4. Have Burgundy and Switzerland as emergent factions (like M:TW 1)
5. Have Serbia as an emergent faction, because the Balkans can get a little boring after the crusades start slowing down
6. Finally, have Lithuania as an emergent faction, because besides Poland and Russia, there isn't much in north-east Europe.

[Reidy]

I'd add:

1. Cicilian Armenia
2. Split the Russian faction into Novgorod and Kiev
3. Split the Spanish faction into Castille and Aragon
4. Have Burgundy and Switzerland as emergent factions (like M:TW 1)
5. Have Serbia as an emergent faction, because the Balkans can get a little boring after the crusades start slowing down
6. Finally, have Lithuania as an emergent faction, because besides Poland and Russia, there isn't much in north-east Europe.

What he said, plus the Maya and another native american Civ to give the Aztecs company.

[Kscott]

I dont think Scotland is getting proper representation. Orkeney should definatly be a faction :laughing:

[Hansa]

I am personally a fan of 4 types of new factions that could be added.

1. Seperation of the generalization factions into historical accurate ones Spain and Russia to be divided, or at least be replaced by one of the historical accurate factions (e.g. just Novgorod or just Aragon).

2. Excluded really important factions such as Lithuania

3. Exluded factions that existed throughout or atleas through most of the games time span such as Norway.

4. Factions (that did exist) in areas where there are few factions to begin with (grey areas). Georgia, Bulgaria.

Factions listed according to what I belive should be priority, also 2.3.4 are faction examples and other factions might be preferable. Anyway I think more factions (if historically accurate), only has positive consequenses for the game. Will make MTW2 more enjoyable, sell more games. The last point at least should matter to CA, but I can only hope.

Add a Mayan city state south of the Aztecs

I think CA has stated that the Mayas are in at their new MTW2 site.

[Kscott]

1. Seperation of the generalization factions into historical accurate ones Spain and Russia to be divided, or at least be replaced by one of the historical accurate factions (e.g. just Novgorod or just Aragon).

Again, Kiev is much more accurate. The Kievan Rus DID own all of the rus till around 1204. The game calls them the russians, but they are the kievan Rus. The Spanish are really just castile which was by far the most dominant spanish nation at the time, but that does not mean they arent representing Castile. Right now the portrals are perfect, Ca just went with generic names.

2. Excluded really important factions such as Lithuania

Really important in 1066?

3. Exluded factions that existed throughout or atleas through most of the games time span such as Norway.

What practical purpose is served by including Norway? The age of the vikings is over and the dominance of Sweden has not occured yet.

4. Factions (that did exist) in areas where there are few factions to begin with (grey areas). Georgia, Bulgaria.

Bulgarian was Byzantine property at the start no? Or atleast shortly after.

Factions listed according to what I belive should be priority, also 2.3.4 are faction examples and other factions might be preferable. Anyway I think more factions (if historically accurate), only has positive consequenses for the game. Will make MTW2 more enjoyable, sell more games. The last point at least should matter to CA, but I can only hope

More dev time.


The only factions I REALLY see as missing are Aragon, Cumans, and MAYBE Bohemia. But I understand CA's logic behind not including the bohemians.

[Hansa]

Again, Kiev is much more accurate. The Kievan Rus DID own all of the rus till around 1204. The game calls them the russians, but they are the kievan Rus. The Spanish are really just castile which was by far the most dominant spanish nation at the time, but that does not mean they arent representing Castile. Right now the portrals are perfect, Ca just went with generic names.

As I wrote e.g, Novgorod was just an example by all means use Kiev instead.

Really important in 1066?

I believe the game starts in 1080, but again you are correct, Lithuania was to my knowledge something like a loose confedeartion of warchiefs at the time, but the did rize to serious power within the game's time frame.

What practical purpose is served by including Norway? The age of the vikings is over and the dominance of Sweden has not occured yet.

Again, Norway was just an example, I have already stated the practical purpose of including them, they where there in 1080, and continued to exist until about the 1530's. Once you play a faction in the TW series, you change history. I think all factions who existed within the campaignmap at the start of the game and survived for centuries should be included. Norway was no key player in medieval affairs, but neither a tiny puppet.

Bulgarian was Byzantine property at the start no? Or atleast shortly after.

Bulgaria is an example and to be honest I am not too familiar with their early history (though I again believe that you are correct), but I whould like to see another faction in the balkans as well as in the middle east. If it can be defended historically though.

More dev time.

Right again, but if that means more money for CA then why not.

The only factions I REALLY see as missing are Aragon, Cumans, and MAYBE Bohemia. But I understand CA's logic behind not including the bohemians.

I want these states as well, Bohemias vassal status under HRE was very loose, and they where important (I assume that is why you maybe(ed) them.

[JANOSIK007]

I want these states as well, Bohemias vassal status under HRE was very loose, and they where important (I assume that is why you maybe(ed) them.

only until Golden Bull of Sicily in 1212. And even before it was largely a formal relationship that benefited mostly Bohemian security from outside threats.

[Hansa]

only until Golden Bull of Sicily in 1212. And even before it was largely a formal relationship that benefited mostly Bohemian security from outside threats.

I was under the impression that a formal vassalship lasted longer, though the whole thing seems to have existed only in name. Anyway I am all for Bohemia being included. They are definetly among the top five factions I want to see being included. Not saying that you are wrong about the Golden Bull of Sicily just stating the info I had. Above I was trying to show that Bohemia should be included, if you misunderstod the point I was trying to make.

[Farnan]

Incans and Mayans are already in, so that leaves 7 factions:

Split Russia into Kiev and Novgorod - 6 Factions left
Split Spain into Leon and Castille (1 Faction) and Aragon - 5 Factions left
Add Cicilian Armenia - 4 Factions left
Add Bohemia - 3 Factions left
Add Lithuania - 2 Factions left
Add Burgundy - 1 Faction left
Add Switzerland - 0 Factions left

[Kscott]

Split Russia into Kiev and Novgorod - 6 Factions left

Rather inaccurate no? Unless you want a scripted date where the Kievan Rus disinegrate and Novogorod becomes a faction(actually htat happend some time before the disentigration of Kiev

Split Spain into Leon and Castille (1 Faction) and Aragon - 5 Factions left

It would be fine to call it Castille. Castile-Leon would just seem to long. Argagon most definatly

[Ahiga]

I'd not want to see any new factions.

I'd want to see the potential for them, I.E., the removal of the faction limitation or a broadening of it (Like 40 or 50). The original campaign would not be much better if we had dozens of tiny factions that get gobbled up quickly, but they would be essentiall in the editing and inclusion of modifications.

An example is the rapid creation of nations in the Balkans and eastern europe. If CA has them, they will have the same units (think how the greeks in RTW had nearly the exact same rosters) and be of little consequence in the campaign. ALso, developer time would make it difficult.

The factions I would want to see with an expansion of the limit is a breakup of the Spanish and Russians, as well as other groups which may have been made to be homogenous (I think the Seljuk Turks).