Middle Ages - definitive (Eurasia, 1000-onwards)

**~~bbc~~** · December 29, 2011, 02:14 AM

Aimed at people who perhaps would want to create a realism mod for the period in question. Starting factions would be all the ones described on the map but australian and possibly most sub-sahara guys..
Here's a map of Eurasia in the eve of the 12th century:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Hem_1100ad.jpg
We'd be doing a lot of factions, possibly 70+, to represent all the empires and kingdoms of the time
It'd take extensive historical research from everyone involved. This is aimed specifically at people who are diehard fans of the history but also of the middle-ages and who would truly like to see a definitive mod released for the period.

Remark1: We'll divide everything into three periods
1000-1200 Focusing heavily on i have no idea
1200-1400 Focusing heavily on Mongol Conquests,
1400-1600 Focusing heavily on Great Navigations and colonialism

Remark2: The map regions would be the size of those that feature on Kingdoms but like for the whole of Eurasia...

Well, post something here or pm me if you are interesetd. Thanks in advance everyone!
Please, also, post something here only if you happen to be truly interested or, if you know of a similar mod already being developed!

**Ishan** · December 29, 2011, 08:41 AM

Thread moved from M2TW GD forums to WIPS section.

Also there is a hardcoded limit of 31 factions so you need to rethink your plan for your mod as 70+ factions are not possible.

**~~bbc~~** · December 29, 2011, 11:43 AM

Is there a way to circumvent that? Is there a way to decompile the executable and change that? Maybe some creative idea?

**Reimu Hakurei** · December 29, 2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by bbc

Is there a way to circumvent that? Is there a way to decompile the executable and change that? Maybe some creative idea?

No way at all, I'm afraid.
No idea why, ask the makers of the game.

**Ishan** · December 29, 2011, 12:59 PM

Like i told you in your PM, it's possible but it's illegal to hack the game according to its EULA (End User License Agreement) & also against TWC's rules.

**~~bbc~~** · December 30, 2011, 12:41 PM

Is there any code that enables friendly fire?

**Reimu Hakurei** · December 30, 2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by bbc

Is there any code that enables friendly fire?

I doubt it.

**Ishan** · December 30, 2011, 12:47 PM

Friendly fire? If you mean that whether our archers\cannons etc can harm our own units then this already happens in game.

**~~bbc~~** · December 30, 2011, 12:56 PM

I meant on the campaign map. Like attacking same faction generals and armies. It would be possible, this way, to have more than 31 factions in hotseat..
Civil war used to be quite common back then.

**Reimu Hakurei** · December 30, 2011, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by bbc

I meant on the campaign map. Like attacking same faction generals and armies. It would be possible, this way, to have more than 31 factions in hotseat..
Civil war used to be quite common back then.

Why not make generals more likely to betray you then?
And then make rebels active.
That would work...

**~~bbc~~** · December 30, 2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by LEGIONARIVS HVNGARIVS

Why not make generals more likely to betray you then?
And then make rebels active.
That would work...

yeah but not for hotseat which kinda like what I want.
plus it would end up making rebels all over the map more active wouldn't it?

**Reimu Hakurei** · December 30, 2011, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by bbc

plus it would end up making rebels all over the map more active wouldn't it?

Yes, but it would make the game more realistic.
Rebels and bandits don't just sit on their asses and wait to be attacked.
They often raid, and prey on weaker armies, etc.

**Ishan** · December 30, 2011, 01:00 PM

@bbc
No that's also hardcoded. Same faction armies can't wage war on each other.

@LH
Leader and Heir can't betray and turn rebel, normal generals can but this may lead to shortage of family members which may lead to the destruction of the faction and thus losing the campaign. And still the faction count would remain 31.

**ggggtotalwarrior** · January 01, 2012, 01:46 AM

bbc I'm sorry to tell you this but none of your proposals make any sense to me. How would attacking your own faction allow you to split them? Even if you could this doesn't make any sense. Also, do you have any experience modding? I would assume that if you did, or if you had any experience playing Medieval 2 you would know the hardcoded elements....

The Hardcoded List- http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95670

**~~bbc~~** · January 02, 2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by ggggtotalwarrior

bbc I'm sorry to tell you this but none of your proposals make any sense to me. How would attacking your own faction allow you to split them? Even if you could this doesn't make any sense. Also, do you have any experience modding? I would assume that if you did, or if you had any experience playing Medieval 2 you would know the hardcoded elements....

The Hardcoded List- http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95670

gah dude that'd be just a way to beat that 31 factions thing
my original proposal was to make a mod that showed factionalism inside nations for the whole eurasian main (europe/asia/north africa) and you can't really do that with only 31 factions
so I thought maybe a creative script that could circumvent that or maybe even a team that would be willing to change some hardcoded stuff without posting it here

**Vladyvid** · January 03, 2012, 03:06 AM

70 factions sounds awesome! CA will be embarassed.

Considering that you will probably need about a month at least to prepare one faction, its a life's work ahead of you my friend. I wish you lots and lots of commitment and dedication, and ofcourse unlimited free time to be able to devote yourself to such a grand project!

**~~bbc~~** · January 11, 2012, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Vladyvid

70 factions sounds awesome! CA will be embarassed.

Considering that you will probably need about a month at least to prepare one faction, its a life's work ahead of you my friend. I wish you lots and lots of commitment and dedication, and ofcourse unlimited free time to be able to devote yourself to such a grand project!

thanks man
you have no idea what this kind of support means to me
if you want to help we can set up a team