Can't ally

**Naja** · December 27, 2011, 03:10 PM

I know you're not able to ally with a faction if you're at war with one of that faction's allies.

However, is it possible to become their ally after their allied faction has been exterminated?

For example, I'm playing as Byzantium. I attack Venice. Venice is allied with England. I want an alliance with England. I exterminate Venice. However, the "alliance" option is never available from then on if I try to diplomatically engage England.

Is there a way to allow you to ally with factions, even if you've gone to war with (and destroyed) their allies?

**Nazgûl Killer** · December 27, 2011, 03:26 PM

That is a very, very interesting question. My logic assumes that the answer should be no. That somehow the "War with allies" status is still retained... I'm not sure about this, but I do not recall coming upon this issue to be honest. Just my two cents.

**tudor93** · December 27, 2011, 04:20 PM

this is a famous bug in RTW and some mods (for RTW) use the 'peace with the dead' script which lets you ceasefire with an exterminated faction so that you can ally with their allies; I think it's the same in M2TW, not sure though ...

**Naja** · December 27, 2011, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by tudor93

this is a famous bug in RTW and some mods (for RTW) use the 'peace with the dead' script which lets you ceasefire with an exterminated faction so that you can ally with their allies; I think it's the same in M2TW, not sure though ...

Okay, how would this work?

**Double A** · December 27, 2011, 11:45 PM

In my experience, diplomacy remains unchanged when a faction dies. Their allies can't ally with you because you're still at war. This is done so the AI won't be seen as a bunch of retards 5 turns after you kill Venice, but it has the small effect of making them seem like even bigger retards 50 turns later, because everyone involved is dead.

**Avatar** · December 28, 2011, 05:26 PM

Reading this thread makes me somewhat regret exterminating Sicily a couple of days ago in my latest campaign....No wonder the rest of the map seems to have turned against me.

**General Dithrick** · December 29, 2011, 12:16 AM

Either it's a bug or they just wised up and decided to never ally with you at all. Ha.

**Dominick** · January 23, 2012, 12:00 PM

Im having this same problem... but with the damn Papal States. Now I have my faction's cardinal as the pope, but I still can't ally to the Papal States. Is there any cheat that can automatically make me their ally/have peace with the exterminated Milan?