Bush sends Nat. Guard to US-Mex. Boarder

[IamthePope]

Finally, Dubya has acted decisively to end the chaos on the US-Mexico Boarder. It was a long time coming (something unusual for such a bold and decisive president), but the chaos of the situation has forced the president to forego the usual political tip-toeing that is generally associated with this issue and act for the common good by deploying the National guard. No doubt the Dems will raise hell and civil liberties activists will be upset, but the average American will rest easier tonight with the knowledge that the border is secure.
-Sending 5,000 National guard soldiers to guard the boarder
-"Bush is to address Americans for about 20 minutes from the Oval Office at 8 p.m./0000 GMT to announce increased security along the 2,000-mile U.S. border with Mexico, and to insist a temporary guest-worker program loathed by many conservatives is needed as part of an overall reform of immigration law."

My thanks to all the illegals who demonstrated these past weeks to raise awareness of the surge of Mexican workers flooding over the border :laughing: . The flood waters have been stopped through executive action. The the flood damage must be repaired.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060515/...4yBHNlYwNmYw--

[John I Tzimisces]

I guess I should point out that sending troops to the border doesn't do anything about the ones still here

Yes, sigh, I am a Republican

I'm curious to see what exactly he is gonna say...tonight I think. I'd like to see something new. He's gotten kinda stale to me over the past 2 or 3 years. He's done essentially nothing decisive in that period of time, so it'll be interesting to see how this turns out...or if its even legal to do that on account of the Governors are the ones responsible for the deployment of the National Gaurd. Unless...he asked nicely?

[IamthePope]

...or if its even legal to do that on account of the Governors are the ones responsible for the deployment of the National Gaurd. Unless...he asked nicely?

It's entirely legal to nationalise the National Guard. Eisenhower did it in the 50's during the little rock nine incident. The Gov. of Alabama was using the National guard to keep the schools segregated and Eisenhower nationalised the guard and put the under executive command. I also can't wait to see what Bush says.

Excuse me if it sounds like insult, because it's not meant to be, but are you from the native americans? aren't your ancestors immigrants too? and what about the right to pursuit happiness?

This is an argument often levelled against supporters of a strong immigration policy. It doesn't really apply though. We the dissendants of immigrants in one way or another, even the so called "native Americans" simply arrived on American shores 10,000 years before the caucasions settlers came. The difference is that those settlers came in a legal fashion respecting the rules and laws of the nation they were entering. The illegal immigrants of today sneak across the boarder and illegally enter the nation in defiance of the law when their is a clear and legal path of citizenship available to them. If a person breaks the laws, that person should be subject to the punishment of those laws.

As for the right to pursue happiness, is the happiness of a non-citizen more important that the well being and prosperity of the citizens? I would take the nationalist over the internationalist position on this issue and say that the protection of American citizens is more important than the "right" of non-Americans to pursue happiness in immigrating here.

[John I Tzimisces]

It's entirely legal to nationalise the National Guard. Eisenhower did it in the 50's during the little rock nine incident. The Gov. of Alabama was using the National guard to keep the schools segregated and Eisenhower nationalised the guard and put the under executive command. I also can't wait to see what Bush says.

Wrong, Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne. I think it was the 101st. That would be the Army. And not only the army, but paratroopers even, guys crazy enough to jump out of a plane THEN shoot you.

[orange slice]

finally he does something to stop the chaos down there

[IamthePope]

Wrong, Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne. I think it was the 101st. That would be the Army. And not only the army, but paratroopers even, guys crazy enough to jump out of a plane THEN shoot you.

Wow, thanks for the correction. I must have mixed that up with something else. So perhaps it is not legal to nationalise the National Guard. I think their has been a previous case where it was done though. Anyone out there know?

[Erik]

I guess I should point out that sending troops to the border doesn't do anything about the ones still here

No, but while the boarder is open you can't do anything about them.
If you kick them out they wil simply come back.
If you grant them citizenship more wil come in illegally hoping to get citizenship too.

So it's a first but necessary step to solve the immigration problem.

[Kara Kolyo]

Excuse me if it sounds like insult, because it's not meant to be, but are you from the native americans? aren't your ancestors immigrants too? and what about the right to pursuit happiness?

[Zenith Darksea]

Now come on, you can't deny that Bush is a bold President. After all, how could you say that it wasn't bold to rig an election?

Seriously though, I can't see this move making any difference. As Imperator has said, the immigrants are already in America. And as the immigrants pointed out, they're pretty necessary to make the country run smoothly.

[Evariste]

Finally, Dubya has acted decisively to end the chaos on the US-Mexico Boarder. It was a long time coming (something unusual for such a bold and decisive president), but the chaos of the situation has forced the president to forego the usual political tip-toeing that is generally associated with this issue and act for the common good by deploying the National guard. No doubt the Dems will raise hell and civil liberties activists will be upset, but the average American will rest easier tonight with the knowledge that the border is secure.
-Sending 5,000 National guard soldiers to guard the boarder
-"Bush is to address Americans for about 20 minutes from the Oval Office at 8 p.m./0000 GMT to announce increased security along the 2,000-mile U.S. border with Mexico, and to insist a temporary guest-worker program loathed by many conservatives is needed as part of an overall reform of immigration law."
My thanks to all the illegals who demonstrated these past weeks to raise awareness of the surge of Mexican workers flooding over the border :laughing: . The flood waters have been stopped through executive action. The the flood damage must be repaired.

Finally, the flow of these evil, freedom-hating criminals is coming to an end through semi-constitutional action! I'm glad that I can rest easy at night, now that people from a different culture than mine can't corrupt the American way by working at low-paying jobs trying to make ends meet!
Finally, we can do what we did a hundred years ago and limit immigration to 3 per cent from undesirable, non-European countries! I'll think I'll celebrate at a mexican restaurant.

[Flavius Silvanus]

The President can nationalize the National Guard under certain circumstances, in general, in times of "national emergency."

During WWI, WWII, Korean, and the Gulf War I & 2 for example.

[Red Harvest]

Finally, Dubya has acted decisively to end the chaos on the US-Mexico Boarder. It was a long time coming (something unusual for such a bold and decisive president), but the chaos of the situation has forced the president to forego the usual political tip-toeing that is generally associated with this issue and act for the common good by deploying the National guard.

Wouldn't doing something "decisive" have entailed properly funding the border patrol for the past several years? This is more play acting. He'll be able to put up a "Mission Accomplished" banner at a crossing and do some self congratulatory photo ops.

Too bad we didn't get "decisive" action during Katrina.

One thing I can tell you about the Houston evacuation for Rita, those who did best were the Americans of Mexican descent. They worked together with the Spanish stations to figure out what routes to take to stay with relatives in Mexico. Their trip was relatively short. The Anglos trying to get out to the North didn't have much luck. Many, like my family, were unable to make it out because the only routes open were to the southwest, but we weren't sure of the gasoline situation. Friends and neighbors of mine spent *days* on the road just to make it ~100 miles. (The GOP governor's office and mayor mismanaged the situation, didn't even have fuel available along the route, and couldn't figure out how to get contraflow working in time.)

[Shaun]

. No doubt the Dems will raise hell and civil liberties activists will be upset

Why do you think that, Use lefties want a secure border like anyone else. But it took a long time for Bush to finally act.

[Red Harvest]

A quick note for non-native English speakers, the thread title has misspelled border as "boarder."

[Sétanta]

About time.

And I know he will be critisized for this too. Either he will be screamed at because he didn't move fast enough or because this is a gross human rights violation.

[Zenith Darksea]

The difference is that those settlers came in a legal fashion respecting the rules and laws of the nation they were entering.

Erm, are you absolutely sure about that? Because that's not how the history books recall it.

[Sétanta]

Erm, are you absolutely sure about that? Because that's not how the history books recall it.

The history books recall most of them coming in legally through Ellis or Angel Islands. The News today tell us that most of the Immigrants are coming in illegally

[Bwaho]

Bush sends Nat. Guard to US-Mex. Boarder

can I call americans racists now?

[Last Roman]

can I call americans racists now?

no. How is stopping illegal immigration racist?

[Kara Kolyo]

Well for the native americans it wasn't legal immigration. selling blanckets with smallpox and beads is not what mexicans and other illegals now do