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    WHAT IS A DEPRESSIVE DISORDER?

    A depressive disorder is an illness that involves the body, mood, and thoughts. It affects the way a person eats and sleeps, the way one feels about oneself, and the way one thinks about things. A depressive disorder is not the same as a passing blue mood. It is not a sign of personal weakness or a condition that can be willed or wished away. People with a depressive illness cannot merely "pull themselves together" and get better. Without treatment, symptoms can last for weeks, months, or years. Appropriate treatment, however, can help most people who suffer from depression.

    TYPES OF DEPRESSION

    Depressive disorders come in different forms, just as is the case with other illnesses such as heart disease. This pamphlet briefly describes three of the most common types of depressive disorders. However, within these types there are variations in the number of symptoms, their severity, and persistence.

    Major depression is manifested by a combination of symptoms (see symptom list) that interfere with the ability to work, study, sleep, eat, and enjoy once pleasurable activities. Such a disabling episode of depression may occur only once but more commonly occurs several times in a lifetime.

    A less severe type of depression, dysthymia, involves long-term, chronic symptoms that do not disable, but keep one from functioning well or from feeling good. Many people with dysthymia also experience major depressive episodes at some time in their lives.

    Another type of depression is bipolar disorder, also called manic-depressive illness. Not nearly as prevalent as other forms of depressive disorders, bipolar disorder is characterized by cycling mood changes: severe highs (mania) and lows (depression). Sometimes the mood switches are dramatic and rapid, but most often they are gradual. When in the depressed cycle, an individual can have any or all of the symptoms of a depressive disorder. When in the manic cycle, the individual may be overactive, overtalkative, and have a great deal of energy. Mania often affects thinking, judgment, and social behavior in ways that cause serious problems and embarrassment. For example, the individual in a manic phase may feel elated, full of grand schemes that might range from unwise business decisions to romantic sprees. Mania, left untreated, may worsen to a psychotic state.

    SYMPTOMS OF DEPRESSION AND MANIA

    Not everyone who is depressed or manic experiences every symptom. Some people experience a few symptoms, some many. Severity of symptoms varies with individuals and also varies over time.

    Depression

    * Persistent sad, anxious, or "empty" mood
    * Feelings of hopelessness, pessimism
    * Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, helplessness
    * Loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities that were once enjoyed, including sex
    * Decreased energy, fatigue, being "slowed down"
    * Difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions
    * Insomnia, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping
    * Appetite and/or weight loss or overeating and weight gain
    * Thoughts of death or suicide; suicide attempts
    * Restlessness, irritability
    * Persistent physical symptoms that do not respond to treatment, such as headaches, digestive disorders, and chronic pain

    Mania

    * Abnormal or excessive elation
    * Unusual irritability
    * Decreased need for sleep
    * Grandiose notions
    * Increased talking
    * Racing thoughts
    * Increased sexual desire
    * Markedly increased energy
    * Poor judgment
    * Inappropriate social behavior

    CAUSES OF DEPRESSION

    Some types of depression run in families, suggesting that a biological vulnerability can be inherited. This seems to be the case with bipolar disorder. Studies of families in which members of each generation develop bipolar disorder found that those with the illness have a somewhat different genetic makeup than those who do not get ill. However, the reverse is not true: Not everybody with the genetic makeup that causes vulnerability to bipolar disorder will have the illness. Apparently additional factors, possibly stresses at home, work, or school, are involved in its onset.

    In some families, major depression also seems to occur generation after generation. However, it can also occur in people who have no family history of depression. Whether inherited or not, major depressive disorder is often associated with changes in brain structures or brain function.

    People who have low self-esteem, who consistently view themselves and the world with pessimism or who are readily overwhelmed by stress, are prone to depression. Whether this represents a psychological predisposition or an early form of the illness is not clear.

    In recent years, researchers have shown that physical changes in the body can be accompanied by mental changes as well. Medical illnesses such as stroke, a heart attack, cancer, Parkinson's disease, and hormonal disorders can cause depressive illness, making the sick person apathetic and unwilling to care for his or her physical needs, thus prolonging the recovery period. Also, a serious loss, difficult relationship, financial problem, or any stressful (unwelcome or even desired) change in life patterns can trigger a depressive episode. Very often, a combination of genetic, psychological, and environmental factors is involved in the onset of a depressive disorder. Later episodes of illness typically are precipitated by only mild stresses, or none at all.
    Depression in Women

    Women experience depression about twice as often as men.1 Many hormonal factors may contribute to the increased rate of depression in women, particularly such factors as menstrual cycle changes, pregnancy, miscarriage, postpartum period, pre-menopause, and menopause. Many women also face additional stresses such as responsibilities both at work and home, single parenthood, and caring for children and for aging parents.

    A recent NIMH study showed that in the case of severe premenstrual syndrome (PMS), women with a preexisting vulnerability to PMS experienced relief from mood and physical symptoms when their sex hormones were suppressed. Shortly after the hormones were re-introduced, they again developed symptoms of PMS. Women without a history of PMS reported no effects of the hormonal manipulation.

    Many women are also particularly vulnerable after the birth of a baby. The hormonal and physical changes, as well as the added responsibility of a new life, can be factors that lead to postpartum depression in some women. While transient "blues" are common in new mothers, a full-blown depressive episode is not a normal occurrence and requires active intervention. Treatment by a sympathetic physician and the family's emotional support for the new mother are prime considerations in aiding her to recover her physical and mental well-being and her ability to care for and enjoy the infant.

    Depression in Men

    Although men are less likely to suffer from depression than women, 6 million men in the United States are affected by the illness. Men are less likely to admit to depression, and doctors are less likely to suspect it. The rate of suicide in men is four times that of women, though more women attempt it. In fact, after age 70, the rate of men's suicide rises, reaching a peak after age 85.

    Depression can also affect the physical health in men differently from women. A new study shows that, although depression is associated with an increased risk of coronary heart disease in both men and women, only men suffer a high death rate.2

    Men's depression is often masked by alcohol or drugs, or by the socially acceptable habit of working excessively long hours. Depression typically shows up in men not as feeling hopeless and helpless, but as being irritable, angry, and discouraged; hence, depression may be difficult to recognize as such in men. Even if a man realizes that he is depressed, he may be less willing than a woman to seek help. Encouragement and support from concerned family members can make a difference. In the workplace, employee assistance professionals or worksite mental health programs can be of assistance in helping men understand and accept depression as a real illness that needs treatment.

    Depression in the Elderly

    Some people have the mistaken idea that it is normal for the elderly to feel depressed. On the contrary, most older people feel satisfied with their lives. Sometimes, though, when depression develops, it may be dismissed as a normal part of aging. Depression in the elderly, undiagnosed and untreated, causes needless suffering for the family and for the individual who could otherwise live a fruitful life. When he or she does go to the doctor, the symptoms described are usually physical, for the older person is often reluctant to discuss feelings of hopelessness, sadness, loss of interest in normally pleasurable activities, or extremely prolonged grief after a loss.

    Recognizing how depressive symptoms in older people are often missed, many health care professionals are learning to identify and treat the underlying depression. They recognize that some symptoms may be side effects of medication the older person is taking for a physical problem, or they may be caused by a co-occurring illness. If a diagnosis of depression is made, treatment with medication and/or psychotherapy will help the depressed person return to a happier, more fulfilling life. Recent research suggests that brief psychotherapy (talk therapies that help a person in day-to-day relationships or in learning to counter the distorted negative thinking that commonly accompanies depression) is effective in reducing symptoms in short-term depression in older persons who are medically ill. Psychotherapy is also useful in older patients who cannot or will not take medication. Efficacy studies show that late-life depression can be treated with psychotherapy.

    Improved recognition and treatment of depression in late life will make those years more enjoyable and fulfilling for the depressed elderly person, the family, and caretakers.

    Depression in Children

    Only in the past two decades has depression in children been taken very seriously. The depressed child may pretend to be sick, refuse to go to school, cling to a parent, or worry that the parent may die. Older children may sulk, get into trouble at school, be negative, grouchy, and feel misunderstood. Because normal behaviors vary from one childhood stage to another, it can be difficult to tell whether a child is just going through a temporary "phase" or is suffering from depression. Sometimes the parents become worried about how the child's behavior has changed, or a teacher mentions that "your child doesn't seem to be himself." In such a case, if a visit to the child's pediatrician rules out physical symptoms, the doctor will probably suggest that the child be evaluated, preferably by a psychiatrist who specializes in the treatment of children. If treatment is needed, the doctor may suggest that another therapist, usually a social worker or a psychologist, provide therapy while the psychiatrist will oversee medication if it is needed. Parents should not be afraid to ask questions: What are the therapist's qualifications? What kind of therapy will the child have? Will the family as a whole participate in therapy? Will my child's therapy include an antidepressant? If so, what might the side effects be?

    The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) has identified the use of medications for depression in children as an important area for research. The NIMH-supported Research Units on Pediatric Psychopharmacology (RUPPs) form a network of seven research sites where clinical studies on the effects of medications for mental disorders can be conducted in children and adolescents. Among the medications being studied are antidepressants, some of which have been found to be effective in treating children with depression, if properly monitored by the child's physician.
    I would like to possibly start a discussion about depression. Such as the occurences amongest families down the generations and perhaps reasons why people become depressed. I have heard alot about depression making people feel physically ill and other such effects.

    I myself belong to a family line that has a long line of depression running through my family. I don't think I have ever told anyone but I suffer from depression and have dealt with it all my life. I don't like the idea of pills or therapy, mainly because my depression isn't crippling.

    Anyway in my opinion the best way to deal with a mild, yet chronic depression, like mine, is broken down into several methods.
    1. Laugh at a lot of things, even if they are only mildly funny. Laughing is very therapeutic and it helps.
    2. If possible, go out and do something with friends or family to put your mind on something else.
    3. If no one is around I either read a book or play a very engaging game in hopes of immersing myself into the setting

    So what is the members of TWC thoughts on depression? Does it need to be treated with drugs and therapy, just therapy or just drugs or perhaps dealing with depression one your own or with your family? I don't have much love for drugs such as prozac since I think it is just doping the populace into apathy.

    I would like to hear your thoughts.

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    Well normal cases of depression like you have yourself, I think you should just ride it out and find the little things to make you happy, as best as you can. However I do believe in drugs for some cases. Take my mom for example- if she doesn't take prozac she cries all the time and depending on how long she doesn't take them for-might try to kill everyone in the house. No word of a lie. I don't really think therapy will help but I'm no expert so don't take my word on it. Ok let me phrase this better. If your depressed because of a chemical imbalance, clearly therapy is a waste of time. But if you are depressed because of something that happened in your life then therapy might be the answer- not one I would choose, but for some people sure. I think that basically covers my opinion on Depression..

    Oh and on my Moms side my family suffers from depression- so I too have suffered with it most of my life. It comes in bursts though, for a few months I will be depressed, then not. My mom tells me she went through the same thing, only the bursts of depression lasted long and longer, until she was always depressed. The same thing might happen to me, I don't know.

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    I'm a depressive, and have been on and off anti-depressants (venlafaxine and citalopram) for 3.5 years. I find them effective. It depends on whether the specific drug happens to give you bad side-effects. My whole family is depressive - both parents and both my siblings as well.
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    is it genetical?

    if it's only about attitude then my advice is: lighten up :original:

    I never understood people who become depressed, I've had lots of ****** times but I always think like: "screw the past I will make up for the bad things by making the future great"

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    Yes most depression has to do with genetics. As I'm sure you know, all emotions are controlled my chemicals. So a chemical imbalance is where a person has well.. a chemical imbalance to make them sad, for no apparent reason. It can and usually is passed down to their kids and so on.

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    I've had one prolonged spell of depression and a few short ones. My take on it and related psychological phenomena is roughly this: Your body and brain have ways of absorbing stress and shocks, you could call that "coping". As long as you're coping, "rational thought" prevails. You can tell yourself "cheer up", or "things will look better in the morning" and it might actually work. Now here's the problem. If your capacity to absorb stresses is depleted, the whole "thought cycle" can start working against you. Your body chemistry is sending signals: "I feel miserable, I feel miserable" and without any reserves left to resist your brain starts to play along. Still trying to be "rational" your thoughts latch onto something that matches your emotional state. All of a sudden you are not just "miserable" but you are "miserable because of something". The starts the downward spiral where thought and emotion reinforce one another and you tumble into the black hole of depression. At that point I'd say, bring on the antidepressants! Why? Because the thoughts in your head are perpetuating your depression, but they aren't causing it. You should be rid of ALL negative stimula, not just the ones your brain keeps picking up on in an attempt to reconcile your miserable feeling with your thoughts. I have to say, I think I got over it. I still get the physical and emotional effects now and then, but just accepting them for what they are (basically mental exhaustion) stops the negative thought spiral. Anyway, that's how I experienced it. Probably different for every individual. If there were someone in my surroundings suffering from depression though I wouldn't spend a lot of efforts trying to talk them out of their pre-occupations. I don't think that's going to work. Emphasizing positive things, new things, interesting things is probably better.
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    So a chemical imbalance is where a person has well.. a chemical imbalance to make them sad, for no apparent reason
    Tom Cruise says there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance

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    Tom Cruise needs a hypodermic injection of potassium nitrate in his neck. He's quite an authority on the subject of being a twisted loony.
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    I've got a girlfriend that at the moment is in hospital after taking a mouthfull of antidepresives after being diagnosed with "acute depression" a week before. She's halfway betweeen life and death. And I am asking myself: Would it not have been better for her not to be prescribed those antdepressives that she took? I really don't know...

    Bottom line: depression is not to be toyed with. It can and it will kill...


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    There is a great deal of misunderstanding and false information about depressive ilness or MDD (major depressive disorder).
    The problem here is that the word depression and its derivatives has been overused and people tend to mix the lay terms with the scientific terms.

    Depression is not simply "being moody" or have a "bad spell" or anything like it. Depresson is an organic psychosyndrome: it involves changes in the flow of chemical communication in the brain (part of this problem is the malfunction of the serotonergic system) and usually a triggering precipitating or aggravating event or strings of events. Usually.

    The most practical way to make a diagnosis of depression is based on two clusters of symptoms. First sleep disturbance, insomnia inability to initiate or maintain sleep;all that is easy to spot with EEG (electroencephalogram). Second a change of appetite resulting in a dramatic shift of bodu weight. The main cluster of sympoms e.g. depressed mood and low self esteem and anhedonia are much more difficult to asess with any accuracy since all that is base on self reported questionnaires.

    I cannot imagine someone coping with MDD without pharmacological treatment, especially when depression is characterized by extremely high relapse rates.

    That said different people respond better to different pharmacological/psychological treatments.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTICLE IN PRESS Clinical Psychology Review xx (2006) xxx–xxx
    Furthermore, because of their heterogeneous etiological background, depressed patients are not uniformly responsive to different pharmacological and psychosocial treatments (Gaudiano & Herbert, 2005; Lambert & Ogles, 2004; Parker, 2005). One compelling example illustrating this is provided by a re-analysis by Nemeroff et al. (2003) of data from a controlled trial comparing the efficacy of 12-week Cognitive Behavioral Analysis System of Psychotherapy (CBASP), antidepressant treatment with nefazodone, and a combination of both in a sample of 681 chronically depressed patients. Prior analyses indicated that a combination of CBASP and medication was associated with better outcome as compared to either monotherapy (Keller et al., 2000). However, in a re-analysis of these data, Nemeroff et al. (2003) found that response to CBASP was superior to antidepressantmedication in patients with a history of early childhood trauma, both in terms of mean post-treatment depression severity scores and remission rates.Moreover, in patients with a history of early trauma (but not in patients without such history), the combination of CBASP with nefazodone was not superior to treatment with CBASP alone. Findings such as these indicate that patients are likely to show a differential response to different treatments as a function of etiological and/or pathogenetic factors, and not primarily as a function of currently adopted DSM diagnoses. These findings also suggest that the famous dodo bird verdict, (i.e., the finding that all bona fide therapies have similar efficacy), partly may be the consequence of comparing etiologically heterogeneous groups of patients, thus limiting the specific effects of treatments (Parker, 2000). Yet, because current guidelines for the treatment of depression continue to promote the view that treatments should prove their efficacy in RCTs in comparison to already established treatments, with notable exceptions (Beutler et al., 2000; Blatt & Zuroff, 2005; Gaudiano & Herbert, 2005; Nemeroff, et al., 2003), treatment research is often more concerned with establishing the efficacy of treatments of depression rather than with understanding the processes of therapeutic change.

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    Is there any argument/hypothesis as to why these imbalances occur? Is there a chance when this could have been beneficial, i.e. pre-agricultural man? (Aimed at Garb)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Bill Kelso
    Is there any argument/hypothesis as to why these imbalances occur? Is there a chance when this could have been beneficial, i.e. pre-agricultural man? (Aimed at Garb)
    Conservation of resource theories assert that the inhibition of appetitive functions associated with depression (i.e., low levels of energy, pleasure, and appetitive motivation) is likely to be adaptive by allowing an individual to conserve resources and later redirect them towards more productive endeavors. According to such views, depressed mood is instigated by a low rate of positive reward or insufficient control over rewards or punishments.

    Seligman's learned helplessness theory, for example, was founded on studies of animals exhibiting helpless behaviour when subjected to uncontrollable aversive events. Nesse's ) resource allocation model concentrates more on low rates of rewarding outcomes. Here, depressed mood represents an adaptive response to the propitiousness of situations by adjusting resource allocation (e.g., energy and investment) to inhibit investments in poor pay-off activities. In a similar vein, incentive disengagement theory proposes that depressed states disengage an organism from unobtainable incentives or goals, whilst Leahy's “sunk costs” model suggests that depression occurs when people persevere too long with behaviours resulting in low or diminishing rewards.


    Quote Originally Posted by ARTICLE IN PRESS, Progress in Neuro-Psychopharmacology & Biological Psychiatry xx (2006) xxx–xxx
    According to Nettle (2004), conventional evolutionary accounts of clinical depression can be broadly divided into two categories. The first type of model, the dysregulation view (to which our social risk hypothesis, and other models such as Nesse's, 2000,resource-conservation view and more recent developments of the social competition hypothesis belong), sees clinical depression as a form of dysregulation, chronic overactivation or inappropriate evocation of the mechanism upon which depression is based (Nettle, 2004). Although dysregulation views provide insight into the core psychological mechanisms responsible for depression, Nettle (2004) argues that they do not directly address the issue of individual variations in depressive vulnerability.
    By contrast, adaptation models claim that clinical depression itself is adaptive. Examples of this latter view include early forms of the social competition hypothesis (see Price et al., 1994), and the models advanced by Watson and Andrews (2002) and Hagen (1999), which emphasize the capacity of severely depressed states to elicit resources from the social environment. Notably, a third class of evolutionary theory has recently been proposed by Nettle (2004), one that focuses upon individual, personality differences to explain variation in peoples' susceptibility to depression.
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