stop... CRASHING!!

[Vyktrius]

Can somebody please help me. I've put the Mumak from METW into RTW (because it uses fs_giant_indan_elephant [I think that's it]). But everytime I use it the game CTD's. It loads up fine. I can get to the custom battle screen, set it up and play it. It loads that up fine and goes through the opening speech and all that and the unit looks to be working fine but after less than five minutes every time it just CTD's and says nothing, despite the fact that I have "-show_err" on. This is really REALLY ticking me off . Any help would be greatly, greatly appreciated.
Oh, I might also note that I'm using the mumak crew from LotRTW, with the proper numbers and unit displacement (descr_mount). If you need more info to help me, please ask.

[Neb]

battle loads up fine, but crahses a little into the battle? Sounds like an animation issue. does show err report anything?

-Neb

[Hader]

Well you said that you used the show_err. So what did that say?

[Vyktrius]

Absolutely... nothing! It just crashes and says nothing, nothing at all.

[Hader]

Absolutely... nothing! It just crashes and says nothing, nothing at all.

Well either you have it entered wrong or it refuses to fess up. I think it refuses. My only guess is that you entered something wrong when modding the files, but I am no wiz at things like this.

[Halie Satanus]

Indeed as neb says sounds like animation, i think the lotr guys made there own animation for the big elephants, did you include that,?

[Vyktrius]

Well in descr_model_battle the skeleton line just says "fs_giant_indian_elephant" which is included in vanilla RTW. Did the METW people add an animation to that skeleton?

[Halie Satanus]

Opps sorry i've got lotr, but check the descr_model_battle. that came with the mod.

[Vyktrius]

no, no, no. Not LotRTW, METW. I knew that LotRTW used a new skelton, that is the reason why I'm not using it, because I can't combine that and Signifierone's animation pak. So, I'm using METW's mumak which uses "fs_giant_indian_elephant". It came with RTW.

That I entered something wrong may be the case except I think that it would have CTDed when I started the game, not half way throught the battle (though I doen's get that far but you get my drift :wink: ).

[Halie Satanus]

The only other time i've had a crash with no error, is when a unit switches primary to secondry weapon. but do elephants have primary secondry weapons ?.

[Vyktrius]

The only other time i've had a crash with no error, is when a unit switches primary to secondry weapon. but do elephants have primary secondry weapons ?.

Sort of. The elephant itself is a secondary weapon. But the thing is ithat is is stamping units and the crew are raining down arrows simultaneously before it crashes. That could be it but I have no idea how to fix that. Besides that, other elephants don't crash under the same circumstances. They are always doing both at once as well.

[Halie Satanus]

Remove any secondry weapon option in the edu and see if it works then, i looked at my lotr edu and the secondry weapon is a knife, not the elephant, if the model has no weapon but the edu is looking for one that would cause a crash when the unit comes in to close contact with an enemy.

[Vyktrius]

Then what would dictate damage that the oliphant would inflict? Or is that static for the model?

[Halie Satanus]

i dont know, this is the lotr, version of the elephant, i'm starting to think that it's not the elephant but the guys on top. its maybe thier! weapons that are not the same on model as in the edu. remove secondary weapon line from each in turn and see what, if anything happens.

type mumakil
dictionary mumakil ; Mumakil
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier haradrim_mumak_crew, 15, 1, 1
mount mumakil
mount_effect horse +12, chariot +8, camel +12
attributes sea_faring, can_run_amok, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, command, general_unit
formation 35, 30, 45, 45, 1, square
stat_health 6, 11
stat_pri 16, 3, arrow_mumak, 140, 90, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr thrown
stat_sec 40, 50, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr area, ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 10, 10, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 26, 19, flesh
stat_heat -4
stat_ground 0, 6, -10, -4
stat_mental 25, impetuous, trained
stat_charge_dist 60
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 0, 1890, 530, 290, 490, 5000
ownership parthia

[Vyktrius]

But they're together. The mumak doesn't have a primary and the crew doesn't have a secondary. If I take away the secondary than what the hell are the oliphants going to do? But I'll test it none the less.

[Halie Satanus]

Ok so while you were testing i took a wander over to the Metw forum,(i know i go out of my way to help somtimes) that would be the best place to ask about this, unfortunatly your not the first person to have this problem, there is a question about it in the support forum, i say unfortunatly because it has not been answered, its still the best place to ask though.

Good luck.

crash when Mumalukii? charges.
http://www.metw.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=9

[Vyktrius]

Hmm... I may have figured it out but I may be wrong, so anyone who's been watching this thread who has a similar problem, don't get your hopes up. I think the problem may have been the sounds. The game has sounds listed for the oliphant in several text files, but the way I've made the changes, and the way that the mods from which I got the mumakil made the changes, the Oliphant (or more acuratly the "elephant oliphant" or "cheat oliphants") doesn't exist any more. After changing all occurences of the either of those two terms to the appropriate one I had a suspencions, not a complete elimination, of CTDs. It may still CTD its just that it hasn't since I've made said changes. But thanks for all you help guys. I may need more though if the problem persists.