Question regarding roaming hordes in BI

**armchair caesar** · May 11, 2006, 12:23 PM

I am currently playing the Celts in BI. I invaded mainland Europe, took most of Gual from the WRE. Shortly after, the Vandel horde appeared and captured two of my cities. It was my understanding that once a horde captures a city and settles, the horde disbands. However, not only does this not happen, but I have defeated them twice i.e. took all their cities, but then they reappear with four or five full stacks again!! I know face them a third time and it is getting old. I don't mind a challenge but I have defeated them twice already!
The question is, why do they keep reappearing? What the h*ll do I have to do be rid of them once and for all?

**HorseArcher** · May 11, 2006, 12:38 PM

let's say you destroyed the city and you killed everyone. If there is another army of theirs somewhere on the map, they will go to horde-mode. You would only destroy them, if you'd get the message in the game that you have destroyed a faction.

Once you destroy their city will not make them destroyed, but any remaining armies, will go back to nomadic again, and guess what, they are quite powerful in horde-mode.

**Hader** · May 11, 2006, 12:40 PM

This belongs in the BI General Discussion.

Well I have never had this happen, but I think it is possible. I dont like how the entire population of a dying faction can all of a sudden become a horde like that. Well I dont know how to help you, I have never had this happen, I ussually have no contact with hordes or I destroy them late in the game. Their may be some mods out there though that change this.

**HorseArcher** · May 11, 2006, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Hader

This belongs in the BI General Discussion.

Well I have never had this happen, but I think it is possible. I dont like how the entire population of a dying faction can all of a sudden become a horde like that. Well I dont know how to help you, I have never had this happen, I ussually have no contact with hordes or I destroy them late in the game. Their may be some mods out there though that change this.

yes they can. I was playing the huns, and someone took over my cities, meanwhile my other 2 armies were roaming farther away and after they destroyed my cities, I was back in horde-mode again.

**Hader** · May 11, 2006, 12:52 PM

Well I was talking about when you are besieging the last city of a dying faction, and they only have about 3000 people left, no other armies on the map (well maybe 1 or 2 small ones). I besieged the last Lombardi town, and they had no one left really, I had hnted them to exticntion as the Saxons. Then after I take their city, and kill every soldier, a huge horde sprung out of the small population. That is what ****es me off.

**Gaius Baltar** · May 11, 2006, 12:55 PM

To annihilate them, you have to;

1. destroy their field armies, all of them to the last man.
2. Take all their cities and kill all/most of thier soldiers while doing so. (survivors of cities sieges wont create a horde, right??)

Or,
3. Kill all the family members???

**Hannibal Barca** · May 11, 2006, 03:50 PM

When attacking and kiling off hordes i have killed all their family members. If they settle in a city i believe that when you take that city from them they become a horde army and i think the size of that army may have something to do with the population of the settlement they had. All other armies will become hordes as well, as mentioned.

As goths i took constantinople back from the rebelling ostro goths but since this had a huge pop their army was about 20000 strong when it became a horde (biggest horde army i have faced).

Basically, don't let the horde army get a city and try to kill all family members. You could also bribe the horde armies if you have lots of money (cheaper to bribe them than regular armies)

**Sitarus Originalus PM-30+** · May 11, 2006, 04:28 PM

hmmm i do not think it is cheaper to bribe familymembers then to rase an army that could kill them and concor some new cities. also i do not like to bribe armies as i do not like people in my army that are not trustworthy (if i can buy them everyone can bribe them back). -> that is how i think about it.

**Hannibal Barca** · May 12, 2006, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Sitarus Originalus PM-30+

hmmm i do not think it is cheaper to bribe familymembers then to rase an army that could kill them and concor some new cities. also i do not like to bribe armies as i do not like people in my army that are not trustworthy (if i can buy them everyone can bribe them back). -> that is how i think about it.

But when you bribe a horde that army becomes yours (they lose a stack, you gain one) and they don't have diplomats to bribe them back. A stack without a family member isn't too expensive i don't think.

**Glycerius** · May 13, 2006, 07:42 PM

What unfathomable amount of money would be required to bribe a horde?

If you retreat from an assault or sally on a horde's only city having killed all their generals, is that horde thereby destroyed?

**Hader** · May 13, 2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Glycerius

What unfathomable amount of money would be required to bribe a horde?

If you retreat from an assault or sally on a horde's only city having killed all their generals, is that horde thereby destroyed?

It depends on a few factors, like the units that comprise the army and how big it is, and whether or not that army has any family members in it.

If you retreat from a hordes only city having only killed their generals the horse will still be there, killing a few generals wouldnt make an entire army just dissappear. If you refer to killing all family members as a way to victory, then the horde will still be around but as a rebel army I think, mattering on how many soldiers you killed.

**HappeR** · May 14, 2006, 08:48 AM

No, most of the horde will be gone, there will only be a (relatively) small part of the horde left, also, a rebel horde army is less annoying than a land taking roaming horde army.

**Hader** · May 14, 2006, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by HappeR

No, most of the horde will be gone, there will only be a (relatively) small part of the horde left, also, a rebel horde army is less annoying than a land taking roaming horde army.

In a hypithetical sense that you only kill the generals and nobody else, then the horde should still be there.

**HappeR** · May 15, 2006, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Hader

In a hypithetical sense that you only kill the generals and nobody else, then the horde should still be there.

the funny thing is: a damn lot of units of a faction just disappear when that faction is destroyed. If you just attack one horde army, and kill the general(s), and they still have generals in other (horde) armies they won't be gone.