Conflict in Palestine

[Carach]

in a suprising (well actually to me - not..) chain of events it seems the palestinians are now turning their guns on each other.

Discuss.

Let me give some more to the mudpiters-Garb

Damascus - The leader of the Islamic militant group Hamas in Syria, Khaled Mashaal, and a leader in the Palestine Liberation Organization's Fatah faction, Farouk Kaddoumi, made an 'urgent call' for calm among Palestinians after renewed clashes between the supporters of both groups in the Gaza Strip.

More links here

[OriginOfSymmetry]

they like doing that every once in a while (september 70 anyone?)

though im not a fan of brother-war (dont know the english term), i prefer that the palestinians will kill each other, than killing israelis.

but anyway i dont think itll come up to something very serious, and i dont think the fatah will be able to beat the hamas in a gang/guerilla warfare.

[Farnan]

they like doing that every once in a while (september 70 anyone?)

though im not a fan of brother-war (dont know the english term), i prefer that the palestinians will kill each other, than killing israelis.

but anyway i dont think itll come up to something very serious, and i dont think the fatah will be able to beat the hamas in a gang/guerilla warfare.

The word your looking for is Civil War...

Either way, armed conflict between these two factions will probaly kill off the moderates, leaving the radicals as the survivors.

Sidmen: I deleted your post because it is off-topic

[Sidmen]

Hopefully not, I find that durring war the moderates tend to hide and come out when they know they can win. Removing the radicals from power.

(the post was ment to have him change his date, tho I understand.)

[Farnan]

Well the radicals may force the moderates to radicalize or be alone in a war. Especially if Israel attempts to stop such a war.

[Mr.Flint]

Well the radicals may force the moderates to radicalize or be alone in a war. Especially if Israel attempts to stop such a war.

Or Israel might save the moderates, from the radicals
Israel foils a HAMAS plot to kill Abbas

[Tom Paine]

Or Israel might save the moderates, from the radicals
Israel foils a HAMAS plot to kill Abbas

Israel needs the moderates alives and doesn't care how many Hamas-members it kills to save them... in some ways I don't blame them.

[Tostig]

It seems like a clear-cut case of Divide and Rule. Oh well, it shows what a good job democratically elected and legitimate governments are when they oppose people with lots of guns.

To quote wiki on Divide and Rule:
* creating or at least not preventing petty feuds among smaller players. Such feuds drain resources and prevent alliances that could challenge the overlords.
* aiding and promoting those who are willing to cooperate with the overlords, often by giving them the lands and wealth of rebellious local rulers.
* fostering distrust and enmity between local rulers.
* encouraging expenditures on personal frivolities (e.g., showy palaces) that leave little money for political manoeuvering and warfare.

[Carach]

middle east always turn guns on each other - thats why they need a great big enemy to unite against (america/israel, etc)

thats not present in this situation so true to form they kill each other..

we will be blamed for this soon

[Tostig]

But surely Britain is at least partly responsible for it's abysmal and self-contradictary running of the holy land when it was given as a mandate after the First World War?

I'm refering to such shamble as the the Sykes-Picot Agreement, a secret understanding between the governments of Britain and France defining their respective spheres of post-World War I influence and control in the Middle East. This of course directly contradicted the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence when we said:

Great Britain is prepared to recognize and uphold the independence of the Arabs in all the regions lying within the frontiers proposed by the Sharif of Mecca.

But then again we did screw the Arabs over again with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 when we said:

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object

To a certain extent is is our fault.

[Mr.Flint]

But surely Britain is at least partly responsible for it's abysmal and self-contradictary running of the holy land when it was given as a mandate after the First World War?

I'm refering to such shamble as the the Sykes-Picot Agreement, a secret understanding between the governments of Britain and France defining their respective spheres of post-World War I influence and control in the Middle East. This of course directly contradicted the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence when we said:

But then again we did screw the Arabs over again with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 when we said:


To a certain extent is is our fault.

If you want to point fingers then the culprit is the Ottoman empire,
Its abysmal administrative skills and phenomenal corruption are the reasons for all this mess.

[Carach]

a small extent.

not overwhelmingly completely our fault and nobody else's as some people suggest.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Who else's is it? I forget.

[Carach]

Who else's is it? I forget.

oh, maybe some of the middle east? jihad took the holy lands (where jews christians and co had been for quite some time) - lost it, attempted to kill the new owners repeatedly and failed. continue to be threatening towards said new country.

backstabbing each other all the time and so forth..

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Ah, yes, and the Christians haven't "backstabbed"? The Muslims aren't some sort of chaotic race. Hitler and Napoleon were Xians.

[Carach]

Ah, yes, and the Christians haven't "backstabbed"? The Muslims aren't some sort of chaotic race. Hitler and Napoleon were Xians.

Napoleon didnt really backstab or execute millions and millions and millions of people :/

he has nothing to do with this discussion.

[Tostig]

Hitler was hardly a Christian! If he was any supporter of Nietzschian philosophy at all he would have hated the church!

Napoleon didnt really backstab or execute millions and millions and millions of people :/

How exactly did the Fatimids execute "millions and millions" of people when they occupied the Holy Land? I'll be interested in your response.

[Farnan]

First Hitler was not Christian.

Second, this is not the topic of debate. There are thousands of other Christian vs. Muslim or East vs. West debates I'll ask you to keep this conversation there.

[Carach]

hence why he killed and pretty much destroyed the church i ngermany, and set up his own nazi religion.

but again i say - this is about palestine not hitler.

[Farnan]

Time to get back on topic people. Any further off-topic posts will be systematically deleted (I've deleted a post by Justinian, don't think I won't delete yours).


Thank you very much, and please enjoy your time here.