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    For Sound Energy Policy, Don't Look to Congress
    By Warren Brown
    Sunday, May 7, 2006; Page G02

    Congress thinks we're stupid. Maybe we are. We, most of us, refuse to accept that we are living in a world of rapidly increasing demand for declining fossil fuel resources.

    We believe more oil is to be found around the corner, in the next country, beneath the ocean, under or in the next rock. Maybe it is.

    But people who have spent much of their professional lives looking at this issue say it really does not matter that more oil is waiting to be found somewhere. They believe there will never be enough of the stuff to fuel, feed, clothe, house and move a constantly growing global population.

    Those people include Vice President Cheney, White House energy adviser Matthew Simmons and, believe it or not, President Bush.

    For some time now, Cheney and Simmons, an energy investment banker, have been telling Bush that oil as we know it is about to go away. Their advice largely is why the president in his State of the Union address in January warned that America has become "addicted to oil." That is why the president, a scion of the Texas oil patch, uncharacteristically chided his fellow Republicans in Congress for offering yet another tax break for the nation's oil companies, this one facilitating quick write-offs of the costs of resource exploration.

    "Record oil prices and large cash flows also mean that Congress has got to understand that these energy companies don't need unnecessary tax breaks like the write-offs of certain geological and geophysical expenditures," the president told the White House media corps.

    That does not mean Bush is no longer a bosom buddy of Big Oil. It does mean, at least on this issue, that he is significantly smarter than Congress.

    People enjoy poking fun at Bush, portraying him as something of an errant fraternity boy. But this president is nobody's dummy. He fully understands the concept of "peak oil," the high point of the bell curve at which 50 percent of the provable reserves in any oil field have been recovered.

    Oil is plentiful on the upside of the curve. It is less available, substantially more difficult and enormously more expensive to retrieve on the downside.

    Experts contend that peak oil production in North America actually was reached as far back as 1970, forcing the United States, for one, to rely more heavily on foreign sources of crude, a decidedly dangerous and extremely costly way of fueling our economy.

    One of those experts is Robert L. Hirsch, senior energy program adviser at San Diego-based Science Applications International Corp. (SAIC), which conducts a variety of scientific studies for governments and global corporations.

    Hirsch and his colleagues last March completed a study for the Department of Energy. Maybe it was too difficult for Congress to read. Certainly the title was forbidding: "Peaking of World Oil Production: Impacts, Mitigation and Risk Management."

    Had Congress read Hirsch's report, Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) might not have proffered the silly idea of giving Americans a $500 tax rebate to help cover the cost of rising gasoline prices, and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) might not have come up with the equally goofy idea of giving Americans a $100 gas rebate.

    Both proposals, now thankfully dead, constituted the most wrongheaded kind of political pandering, the kind that supports the notion that American consumers have a God-given right to cheap gasoline in a world where hundreds of millions of people already are paying considerably more for that fuel.

    Congress was trying to play Robin Hood without portfolio, sticking a windfall profit tax on companies such as Exxon Mobil Corp., which raked in $8.4 billion in profits in the first quarter of 2006, and passing a part of the proceeds on to grumbling citizens.

    I have no doubt that Exxon Mobil and the rest of oildom are engaging in a bit of profiteering, taking advantage of a very real energy crisis. But the Stabenow and Frist proposals, along with the advocates of increased federally mandated corporate fuel economy without any increases whatsoever in gasoline taxes, completely miss the point.

    Hirsch and his colleagues put it clearly in their report to the Department of Energy:

    We eventually will not have enough oil to fuel our enormously wasteful American way of life.

    Global oil production is peaking.

    "Optimistic oil production forecasts deserve to be viewed with considerable skepticism," the Hirsch report said. "World oil peaking represents a problem like none other. The political, economic and social stakes are enormous," the report said.

    In plain English, that means America's cheap-oil ride is over. Ill-thought consumer tax rebates will not help. Ill-thought tax breaks for oil companies that are bumping up prices now in anticipation of oil's future decline will not help.

    We need more political wisdom and the guts to do the right thing.

    That starts with political leaders telling the American people the truth, as Bush did in his "addicted to oil" comments. It means mandated increased vehicle fuel economy accompanied by increased taxes on gasoline, engine displacement and vehicle size. It means getting over our social and racial biases, which still keep certain people out of certain neighborhoods, and coming up with a truly efficient, democratic mass transportation system.

    "Waiting until world conventional oil production peaks before initiating crash program mitigation leaves the world with a significant liquid fuel deficit for two decades or longer," the Hirsch report said.

    Wake up, Congress. Wake up, America. We are a part of that world.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050500974.html


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    Congress' actions of late have frightened me somewhat, I must confess.
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    This certainly will be the great challenge for our rising generation. And not just Americans either, but everybody the world over.


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    At first, two years back, I laughed at the doomsday propehcy of two of my friends' in that if we run out of oil, civilization would revert back to the sword and saddle days.

    Now...I'm not so sure. It's not just the cars, but the planes, trains, boats, and we are talking about an international world of this. Conversion to Ethanol or any other substance would need to be done for boats from China, planes in India, shipping boats from the netherlands, naval ships from Great britain, Tanks for America, and so on.

    The comforting fact is that mankind will not end out, as there will be some sort of stoic people, likely still living rather rustically in africa or asia, whom would endure and continue the species. But the loss of oil would be a dramatic event, because while in some cases we could just walk, there is much others which would provide a very dangerous and very real possibility. No oil for ships? No oil for trucks? Plows and tractors? - Goodbye to grocery stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahiga
    At first, two years back, I laughed at the doomsday propehcy of two of my friends' in that if we run out of oil, civilization would revert back to the sword and saddle days.

    Now...I'm not so sure. It's not just the cars, but the planes, trains, boats, and we are talking about an international world of this. Conversion to Ethanol or any other substance would need to be done for boats from China, planes in India, shipping boats from the netherlands, naval ships from Great britain, Tanks for America, and so on.

    The comforting fact is that mankind will not end out, as there will be some sort of stoic people, likely still living rather rustically in africa or asia, whom would endure and continue the species. But the loss of oil would be a dramatic event, because while in some cases we could just walk, there is much others which would provide a very dangerous and very real possibility. No oil for ships? No oil for trucks? Plows and tractors? - Goodbye to grocery stores.
    Bring back the mules and horses. Humans survived without oil before we can do it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hub'ite
    Bring back the mules and horses. Humans survived without oil before we can do it again.
    It's spoken only from my experience and love of the horse and the idealic, romantic notion of it without much logic on my part, but I would be thrilled with such a return. We could perhaps reserve oil for the important, being the trucks and trains to bring food, and could manage generally the same.


    Of course, this would mean that Mongolia would ownt the world all over again.

    But let's see them cross the salty sea, especially with the ice caps melting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahiga
    It's spoken only from my experience and love of the horse and the idealic, romantic notion of it without much logic on my part, but I would be thrilled with such a return.
    I actually grew up in such "Romantic" conditions in Africa.
    So I can honestly tell you from my real-life experiences that IT SUCKS!
    I could never go back to living like that, not more than a few months at least.

    But all doomsday scenarios apart the oil peak theory actually doesn't say that oil wil suddently run out, it says supply wil slowly decrease.
    So we shouldn't prepare ourselves to live completely without oil, we should prepare ourselves to live with HALF the oil we use today, and that still leaves the other half to live a comfortable modern life.



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    Bring back the mules and horses. Humans survived without oil before we can do it again.
    Not with as much population as we got, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee1026
    Not with as much population as we got, however.
    True but all it will take is a little adjusting.

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    Says a guy that is pro-life......

    I ask forgiveness for having old fashioned morals, but don't you feel the least bit gulity about handing the death sentence to 5 billion people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee1026
    Says a guy that is pro-life......

    I ask forgiveness for having old fashioned morals, but don't you feel the least bit gulity about handing the death sentence to 5 billion people?
    :laughing:

    Indeed. I always thought living in a prehistoric society would be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz
    :laughing:

    Indeed. I always thought living in a prehistoric society would be fun.
    Me too. Turn all these pretty boys into REAL men.
    Lee1026- I never said anything about killing people. I was talking about adjusting our way of life.

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    I rather live in the modern world myself, and I will try to keep it going. Afterall, anyone ever seen the average caloric intake back then? Ewww....

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    For transportation, there is still good old trains....

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    If you're not prepared for the post-oil economy then you'll lose when it arrives. A lot of countries look like they're heading in that direction but at least there are some that are trying to pull their act together. Unsustainability is out. Unfortunately, those in charge today don't necessarily have the stake in the future that most people on these forums have. Alberta is profiting majorly from our oil industry, especially with the high oil prices, but this is the kind of prosperity that will run dry very soon. Instead, our Premier sent out cheques of $400 to every bum and tycoon in the province. Canada is still giving tax breaks out to that extremely successful industry.

    I'm terribly disappointed with the Canadian approach, especially with regards to Kyoto (yes, that is more about emissions), it took another blow as our new Conservative government is killing much of the environmental funding. We aren't showing much for our greener image, the Canadian lifestyle is as wasteful as the American and as far as I know there's been no movement towards changing that.

    I posted a while back about Sweden going oil-free, driven in particular by the economic infeasibility of oil... Hope that is really happening and other countries will follow.
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    All it takes are sacrifices. I find it hard to believe and yet totally believable that the American people are too stubborn to not buy SUVs anymore, for one thing. "Hell no, wasting oil is the American way of life, and I'll die before I give it up," says the man in the Hummer (or as I call them, Earth****ers). Well, he'll get his chance soon enough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio XX Valeria Victrix
    All it takes are sacrifices. I find it hard to believe and yet totally believable that the American people are too stubborn to not buy SUVs anymore, for one thing. "Hell no, wasting oil is the American way of life, and I'll die before I give it up," says the man in the Hummer (or as I call them, Earth****ers). Well, he'll get his chance soon enough.
    You forgot the soccer mom in the huge Expedition with her two kids yapping on her cell phone as she runs the red light after she cut me off.
    edit. While getting 14 mpg when she could be in a Honda with her 2 kids getting 32 mpg.
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    Maybe once everyone accepts how serious the situation but I am not seeing any signs of it so far.

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    I can't see (the majority) Americans really paying attention to this. We are so stuck in tradition. For example, this was this bit on the local news about some old guy who always had trucks. He wanted a new car, what does he get? A gas guzzeling SUV. Change doesn't seem to come easily to most of us. That will really screw us over if we cannot....change.
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    Why change if your congress rewards you with $500 for keeping to your old ways?

    I realy don't think Americans are different or more conservative than Europeans.
    Europeans just have been paying far more for their gazoline for decades, so they got the right incentive to buy fuel efficient cars.



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