Intolerance shows ignorance of Islam

[Da Skinna]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...BC405A8B9F.htm

Found this, I thought it was very good. Discuss.

OK, let me give to this post a reason of existance-Garb.

Eighty years ago, Marmaduke Pickthall, the British scholar of Islam and translator of the Quran, wrote: "It was not until the Western nations broke away from their religious law that they became more tolerant, and it was only when the Muslims fell away from their religious law that they declined in tolerance."

Tolerance was regarded as irreligious in the Christian world, but was an essential part of Islam, but it is no longer credited to Muslims.

Nowadays, the more "religious" some Muslims regard themselves to be, the less tolerant they are. The cause is a troubling intellectual decline of the Islamic civilisation.

While Muslims complain about the Western lack of understanding of Islam, this misconstruction in the interpretation of religious texts is unfortunately prevalent in the Muslim mind today.

[Freddie]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...BC405A8B9F.htm

Found this, I thought it was very good. Discuss.

You found this on Aljazeera? AKA Bin Ladens mouth peace? I'll discuss it. The article is biased in everyway imaginable, but yes there are a small minority people who are ignorant of Islam but there are Muslims out their who are equally ignorant of Christians and what they stand for. Generally they see past Richard The Lionheart and into the 21st century.

[Fenris]

You found this on Aljazeera? AKA Bin Ladens mouth peace? I'll discuss it. The article is biased in everyway imaginable, but yes there are a small minority people who are ignorant of Islam but there are Muslims out their who are equally ignorant of Christians and what they stand for. Generally they see past Richard The Lionheart and into the 21st century.

Did you actually read the article?

[StarDreamer]

The article acctually condemns the practice of many muslims today.
I think it was a intresting read.
And btw, it says at the end that it was some muslim from the us that had written it. And that the views there might not at all be the same as the news station's.

Just because they mostly release bin Ladin recordings doesn't mean they can only have articles in support of him, do they have them anyways(I don't know)? Wouldn't you also release something like those recordings if you would be in control of a news station. Even if it would be small it would get immediate attention. And as we all know most media sources are attention *****s.

[Zenith Darksea]

That's a fair point. Any journalist, Western or Eastern, who got exclusive rights to a broadcast from Osama Bin Laden, wouldn't think twice about releasing it to gain ratings.

[Da Skinna]

I meant to add my own blip there but I was in a rush and just got the post down quickly.

And Al-Jazeera is a great news site, I have seen some things that looked very bias, but for the most part, they're very good.

[Aristophanes]

When someone writes

Eighty years ago, Marmaduke Pickthall, the British scholar of Islam and translator of the Quran, wrote: "It was not until the Western nations broke away from their religious law that they became more tolerant, and it was only when the Muslims fell away from their religious law that they declined in tolerance."

...and describes an individual as 'the British scholar of Islam and translator of the Quran' an expertise is implied/conferred which may be more imaginary than real. Marmaduke Pickthall is A British scholar of Islam and translator of the Quran. No doubt scholars and translators can be found who have different opinions; however, I think it would be a rare independent translator of a work who would simultaneously disagree with it, hate it, and translate it. We can only expect that he might have a bias towards the old darling if he's gone to the trouble of translating it for some other purpose than commercial gain.

[Da Skinna]

When someone writes

...and describes an individual as 'the British scholar of Islam and translator of the Quran' an expertise is implied/conferred which may be more imaginary than real. Marmaduke Pickthall is A British scholar of Islam and translator of the Quran. No doubt scholars and translators can be found who have different opinions; however, I think it would be a rare independent translator of a work who would simultaneously disagree with it, hate it, and translate it. We can only expect that he might have a bias towards the old darling if he's gone to the trouble of translating it for some other purpose than commercial gain.

You got that out of one word?

Or it might mean THE Marmaduke...


Either way, how 'bout we look at the content of what he writes and not dispute the partiality of the author.

[Tom Paine]

Actually people have been known to translate things (Mein Kampf, say) as warnings of what might happen. It isn't as clear cut as all that.

[Aristophanes]

Actually people have been known to translate things (Mein Kampf, say) as warnings of what might happen. It isn't as clear cut as all that.

I noted it would be 'rare', not 'impossible'; furthermore, it would depend on the period.

You got that out of one word? Or it might mean THE Marmaduke...

Do you believe there was more than one Marmaduke Pickthall, let alone more than one who was a scholar of Islam and translator?

Either way, how 'bout we look at the content of what he writes and not dispute the partiality of the author.

Unfortunately, I'm not in the position of knowing Arabic or being much of an Islamic scholar; whatever contribution I can make, as a skeptic, must, therefore, be in understanding the supposed scholar's motives, and whether his view is widespread/documented amongst reputable Western scholars of Islam.

[Tom Paine]

I noted it would be 'rare', not 'impossible'; furthermore, it would depend on the period.

Not even rare. It really depends on the book more than the period, but in this csae it may well be as you say.