The Rings + Dragons

[Bob Doad]

wat happened to all the other rings, could they be brought back and why dont any dragons like come into the land from outside places?

[Dwarven Berserker]

Dragons are pretty much extinct in middle-earth. I believe the last true "great" dragon was smaug, so any dragons still alive would be lesser dragons, who would probably not have a great interest in any of the Dwarven rings. I think

[2-D Ron]

All the Rings were bound by the One Ring, so when the One Ring was Destroyed the Elves ring were pretty much powerless, the 9 Rings were lost when Sauron died as he kept them at Barad-Dur, again would of been nothing more than useless trinkets without the One Ring giving them power.
Not too sure what happened to the Dwarfs Rings, I think they Destroyed them? Anyone verify?

EDIT: Sauron had captured 3 of the 7 Rings and the remaining 4 were destroyed by Dragons.

[Maegfaer]

All the Rings were bound by the One Ring, so when the One Ring was Destroyed the Elves ring were pretty much powerless, the 9 Rings were lost when Sauron died as he kept them at Barad-Dur, again would of been nothing more than useless trinkets without the One Ring giving them power.

This is incorrect. The powers of the Three were diminished, but not fully gone after the One Ring was destroyed. They did not become "useless trinkets".

[conon394]

Dragons are pretty much extinct in middle-earth. I believe the last true "great" dragon was smaug

Who says - JRRT never provided much evidence for that and nobody was like the Dragon Whisperer who spent 100 years in the withered heath...

[Curufin]

Im fairly sure in the books it says that Smaug was infact the last great dragon.

To the north beyond the mountains there is probably a load of cold drakes, but there is unlikely to be any flyers or fire drakes.

Ok this might help:

"Dragons. They had not stopped; since they were active in far later times, close to our own. Have I said anything to suggest the final ending of Dragons? If so it should be altered. The only passage that I can think of is Vol 1 p. 70: 'there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough'. But that implies, I think, that there are still dragons, if not of full primeval stature." JRRT

So no old and powerful dragons at the time of the war of the ring.

Gandalf says a similair sort of things:

"There is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough". (in reference to destroying the ring)

[Maiar93]

Im fairly sure in the books it says that Smaug was infact the last great dragon.

To the north beyond the mountains there is probably a load of cold drakes, but there is unlikely to be any flyers or fire drakes.

Ok this might help:

"Dragons. They had not stopped; since they were active in far later times, close to our own. Have I said anything to suggest the final ending of Dragons? If so it should be altered. The only passage that I can think of is Vol 1 p. 70: 'there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough'. But that implies, I think, that there are still dragons, if not of full primeval stature." JRRT

So no old and powerful dragons at the time of the war of the ring.

Gandalf says a similair sort of things:

"There is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough". (in reference to destroying the ring)

I remember somewhere it was said that even Ancalagon the Black wouldn't been able to melt the ring.

[ajak60]

saw in a submod that extended the map a bit that there are drakes to the north (playable too i believe in that mod). thats where i would go if you wanted "dragons" in this

[TWWolfe]

Yes, there are still lesser dragons in the far north. But Dragons like Smaug the Golden, Ancalagon the Black, Scatha the Worm, the truly terrible ones that could make nations tremble with fear. Dragons like those are gone from the world now.

[smoesville]

There were more than likely cold drakes in the withered heath and north of the grey mountains. The only problem i think is the implementation of them, while the perilicious submod does them well i don't really think the engine can handle the movement of dragons.

[Bob Doad]

Ah cool also wat exactly are fellbeasts r they related to dragons in any way?

[Pinkie Pie]

Concerning the Elven Rings, I thought they were created in secret and could not be controlled by The One Ring?

[Vespasian92]

Concerning the Elven Rings, I thought they were created in secret and could not be controlled by The One Ring?

They were. Yet off the top of my head I recall something about Galadriel or someone (Gandalf or Elrond maybe) saying something about them being made to combat the One or something, and their power is diminished and/or useless with the One gone. They were wearing them freely and openly at the Gray Havens, and I think they were less bright then they were before.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, I didn't double check my books or anything to verify this lol

And in terms of dragons in TATW, the 'great' dragons no longer existed, and didn't seem to be any dragons strong enough and/or near enough to affect Middle-Earth and rings of power.

[Deedlit]

Well what exactly lies beyond middle earth? im sure there is alot of landmass. I guess entire races can live outside of middle earth. We don't know what or who because Tolkien think never really wrote any stories about this.

[Pinkie Pie]

If the dragons are gone will the dwarves rebuld their civilization?

On a side note concering the Dwarves. Their rings were influenced by Sauon but supposidly only made them even greedier bastards than they were before, if this is true would they even care about mining gold and Mithril now that The One Ring has gone?

[Curufin]

If the dragons are gone will the dwarves rebuld their civilization?

On a side note concering the Dwarves. Their rings were influenced by Sauon but supposidly only made them even greedier bastards than they were before, if this is true would they even care about mining gold and Mithril now that The One Ring has gone?

On point A, to an extent they did, the lonely mountain flourished for a while after the death of smaug, also gimli set up a colony of dwarves in the glittering caverns beneath helms deep. But the 4th age is the age of men and dwarves breed very slowly....

The rings only increased their greedyness and avarice, bear in mind that balin went to khazad dum and thorin reclaimed the lonely mountain without any influence from the ring .

Also in the first age the dwarves and elves kicked the crap out of each other and built great halls, weapons and armor before the rings even exsisted.

Somewhere in the Fourth Age a new Durin is born, and he retakes and reopenes the mines of Khazad-Dum

Also he was the last Durin, after his death I cant imagine the dwarves going on for much longer.

[Rogue Warrior]

The elven rings were not made entirely in secret and were largely subject to the the one ring if it was worn by sauron. That is why LOTR states the elven kingdoms could only be laid bare and defeated if Sauron got the one ring back. The elven rings were from the first hidden from Sauron though as the elves immediately knew Saurons evil intentions once he placed the one ring on his finger.

The main reason Sauron put the greater part of his power into the one ring was so he could dominate all the rings and enslave their users. Although if I remember right he knew of the elven rings but did not have a hand in their actual making. Thus, even though he taught the elves the skills needed to make them his corruption wasn't entirely on them.

[Mhaedros]

Yes ofc they would. They mined in the first age, before the rings where made. Also the "even greedier bastard" thing only applied to those in contact with the rings. Somewhere in the Fourth Age a new Durin is born, and he retakes and reopenes the mines of Khazad-Dum

[Mhaedros]

Ha, I ninjaed you

[Curufin]

Damn you!!! *shakes fist*

In the end I guess all the dwarves go extinct, bar gimli who sails west with legolas.