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    Though fully aware of Empire/Napoleon ACW: The Blue and the Grey/North&South, I'm thinking the more expansive mod-ability of MTW2 will be more open to development. I think this will be significantly better received than my other ideas have been in the past. Honestly, who in their right mind isn't an amateur Civil War Historian.

    Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican Administration their property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

    -- Abraham Lincoln, First inaugural address, 4 March 1861
    Bellum Inter Civitates: Proelium America
    The War Between The States: The Battle for America

    Likely Factions:

    The United States of America
    The Confederate States of America
    The British Empire
    The Spanish Empire
    The Republic of Mexico
    The Republic of Haiti
    The Russian Empire
    The Kingdom of Denmark ()
    The Rebels (Territories)
    The Bolivarian Republic of Venezeula
    The United States of Colombia
    The Republic of Costa Rica
    The Republic of Nicaragua
    The Republic of Guatemala
    The Republic of Honduras
    The Republic of El Salvador

    Emergent Factions?:

    The Republic of Texas
    The Republic of the Rio Grande
    The Republic of Yucatan
    The Republic of California
    The Kingdom of Deseret
    The French Empire
    The Republic of Quebec
    The Great Sioux Nation
    ...

    Faction Leader: Commanding General
    General: General
    Captain: Colonel
    Priest: Politician
    Inquisitor: Marshal
    Heretic: Radical
    Spy: Spy
    Assassin: Assassin
    Princess: Debutante
    Merchant: Profiteer
    Diplomat: Ambassador

    Work in Progress: As historically accurate as possible. Several regions had no real settlements worthy of being the sites of cities during the civil war, but almost all were established by the 1870s. Several historic regions have been divided into multiple regions. Generally this follows historical divides within the areas such as New York and the Upstate. The reason for this example was to make a point that New York has commercial hubs on the Atlantic and Great Lakes and historically the rural Upstate is considered separate from metropolitan downstate culturally. California is partitioned for the same reason. Texas and Florida are partitioned due to their size and large coastlines.

    Capitals, Provinces; Factions
    Ports: ---- (Body of Water)

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    1 Augusta, Maine; Union
    Port: Portland (Atlantic Ocean)

    2 Concord, New Hampshire; Union
    Port: Portsmouth (Atlantic Ocean)

    3 Boston, Massachusetts; Union
    Port: Charlestown (Atlantic Ocean)

    4 Montpelier, Vermont; Union
    Port: None

    5 Hartford, Connecticut; Union
    Port: Bridgeport (Atlantic Ocean)

    6 Providence, Rhode Island
    Port: Newport (Atlantic Ocean)

    7 Albany, New York; Union
    Port: New York City (Atlantic Ocean)

    8 Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Union
    Port: Philadelphia (Delaware River)

    9 Dover, Delaware; Union
    Port: Wilmington (Delaware River)

    10 Trenton, New Jersey; Union
    Port: Newark (Hudson River)

    11 Annapolis, Maryland; Union
    Port: Baltimore (Chesapeake Bay)

    12 Washington, District of Columbia
    Port: None

    13 Richmond, Virginia; Confederacy
    Port: Hampton Roads (Chesapeake Bay)

    14 Charleston, West Virginia; Confederacy
    Port: None

    15 Raleigh, North Carolina; Confederacy
    Port: Wilmington (Atlantic Ocean)

    16 Colombia, South Carolina; Confederacy
    Port: Charleston (Atlantic Ocean)

    17 Atlanta, Georgia; Rebels
    Port: Savannah (Atlantic Ocean)

    18 Tallahassee, Florida; Confederacy
    Port: Jacksonville (Atlantic Ocean)

    19 Pensacola, West Florida; Confederacy
    Port: Tampa (Gulf of Mexico)

    20 Old Town, Florida Keys; Union
    Port: Key West (Caribbean)

    21 Havana, Cuba; Spain
    Port: Santiago de Cuba (Caribbean)

    22 Santo Domingo, Hispaniola; Spain
    Port: Rio Haina (Caribbean)

    23 Port-Au-Prince, Haiti; Republic of Haiti
    Port: Les Cayes

    24 San Juan, Puerto Rico; Spain
    Port: Fajardo (Caribbean)

    25 Bridgetown, Lesser Antilles; Britain
    Port: Port of Spain (Caribbean)

    26 Nassau, Lucayan Archipelago; Britain
    Port: Matthew Town

    27 Kingston, Jamaica; Britain
    Port: Port Royal (Caribbean)

    28 Montgomery, Alabama; Confederacy
    Port: Mobile (Gulf of Mexico)

    29 Jackson, Mississippi; Confederacy
    Port: Vicksburg (Mississippi River)

    30 Baton Rouge, Louisiana; Confederacy
    Port: New Orleans (Mississippi River)

    31 Little Rock, Arkansas; Confederacy
    Port: Pine Bluff (Arkansas River)

    32 Nashville, Tennessee; Confederacy
    Port: Memphis (Mississippi River)

    33 Frankfort, Kentucky; Union
    Port: Knoxville (Kentucky River)

    34 Topeka, Kansas; Union
    Port: None

    35 St Louis, Missouri; Union
    Port: Kansas City (Missouri River)

    36 Des Moines, Iowa; Union
    Port: None

    37 St. Paul, Minnesota; Union
    Port: Minneapolis (Mississippi)

    38 Madison, Wisconsin; Union
    Port: Milwaukee (Lake Michigan)

    39 Springfield, Illinois; Union
    Port: Chicago (Lake Michigan)

    40 Lansing, Michigan; Union
    Port: Detroit (Between Lake Huron and Lake Erie)

    42 Indianapolis, Indiana; Union
    Port:

    42 Columbus, Ohio; Union
    Port: Cleveland (Lake Erie)

    43 Pittsburgh, West Pennsylvania; Union
    Port: Erie (Lake Erie)

    44 Rochester, Upstate; Union
    Port: Buffalo (Lake Erie)

    45 Fort Brown, South Texas; Confederacy
    Port: Corpus Christi (Gulf of Mexico)

    46 Austin, East Texas; Confederacy
    Port: Houston (Gulf of Mexico)

    47 Dallas, North Texas; Confederacy
    Port: None

    48 San Antonio, West Texas; Confederacy
    Port: El Paso (Rio Grande)

    49 Santa Fe, New Mexico; Rebel
    Port: None

    50 Tucson, Arizona; Rebel
    Port: None

    51 Los Angeles, South California; Union
    Port: San Diego (Pacific)

    52 Sacramento, North California; Union
    Port: San Francisco (Pacific)

    53 Oregon; Union
    Port: Astoria (Pacific)

    54 Olympia, Washington; Rebel
    Port: Seattle (Pacific)

    55 Yankton, Dakota; Rebel
    Port: Bismark (Missouri River)

    56 Carson City, Nevada; Rebel
    Port: None

    57 Salt Lake City, Utah; Rebel
    Port: None

    58 Denver, Colorado; Rebel
    Port: None

    59 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma; Rebel
    Port: None

    60 Omaha, Nebraska; Rebel
    Port: None

    61 Sitka, Alaska; Russia
    Port: Anchorage (Pacific)

    62 Anadyr, Chukotka; Russia
    Port: Novo-Mariinsk (Bering Strait)

    63 White Horse, Yukon; Rebel
    Port: None

    64 Victoria, British Columbia; Britain
    Port: Vancouver (Pacific)

    65 Yellowknife, Northwest; Rebel
    Port: None

    66 York Factory, Rupert’s Land; Rebel
    Port: None
    67 Ottawa, Ottawa; Britain
    Port: None

    68 Toronto, Ontario; Britain
    Port: Kingston (Lake Ontario)

    67 Quebec City, Quebec; Britain
    Port: Montreal (St. Lawrence River)

    68 St. John, Newfoundland; Britain
    Port: Acadian Village (St. Lawrence Bay)

    69 Halifax, Nova Scotia; Britain
    Port: Sydney (Atlantic Ocean)

    70 Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island; Britain
    Port: Summerside (St. Lawrence Bay)

    71 Fredericton, New Brunswick; Britain
    Port: Saint John (Atlantic Ocean)

    72 Hermosillo, Sonora; Mexico
    Port: Guaymas (Gulf of California)

    73 Chihuahua City, Chihuahua; Mexico
    Port: El Paso De Norte (Rio Grande)

    74 Mexicali, Baja California Norte; Rebel
    Port: Tijuana (Pacific Ocean)

    75 La Paz, Baja California Sur; Rebel
    Port: San Jose Del Cabo (Pacific Ocean)

    76 Monterrey, Neuvo Leon; Mexico
    Port: None

    78 Culiacan Rosales, Sinaloa; Mexico
    Port: Mazatlan (Gulf of California)

    79 Victoria de Durango, Durango; Mexico
    Port: None

    80 Saltillo, Coahuila; Mexico
    Port: Piedras Negras (Rio Grande)

    81 Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas; Mexico
    Port: Matamoros (Gulf of Mexico)

    82 San Luis, San Luis Potosi; Mexico
    Port: None

    83 Zacatecas City, Zacatecas; Mexico
    Port: None

    84 Guadalajara, Jalisco; Mexico
    Port: Bara de Navidad

    85 Colima City, Colima; Mexico
    Port: Manzanillo

    86 Morelia, Michoacan; Mexico
    Port: Los Llanitos

    87 Aquascalientes City, Aquascalientes; Mexico
    Port: None

    88 Guanajuato City, Guanajuato; Mexico
    Port: None

    89 Santiago de Queretaro, Queretaro; Mexico
    Port: None

    90 Mexico City, Mexico; Mexico
    Port: None

    91 Tlaxcala de Xicotencatl, Tlaxcala; Mexico
    Port: None

    92 Xalapa, Veracruz; Mexico
    Port: Veracruz (Gulf of Mexico)

    93 Puebla City, Puebla
    Port: None

    94 Chilpancingo, Guerrero; Mexico
    Port: Acapulco (Pacific)

    95 Oaxaca, Oaxaca; Mexico
    Port: Huatulco (Pacific)

    96 Villahermosa, Tabasco; Mexico
    Port: Cardenas (Gulf of Mexico)

    97 Tuxtla Gutiererrez, Chiapas; Mexico
    Port: Tapachula (Pacific)

    98 Campeche City, Campeche; Rebel
    Port: Cuidad del Carmen

    99 Merida, Yucatan; Mexico
    Port: Progreso

    100 Belize, British Honduras; Britain
    Port: Dangriga

    101 Flores, Peten; Guatemala
    Port: Puerto Barrios (Atlantic)

    102 Guatemala City, Guatemala; Guatemala
    Port: San Jose (Pacific)

    101 San Salvador, El Salvador; El Salvador
    Port: Acajutla (Pacific)

    102 Tegucigalpa, Honduras; Honduras
    Port: La Ceiba

    103 Managua, Nicaragua; Nicaragua
    Port: Leon (Pacific)

    104 San Jose, Costa Rica; Costa Rica
    Port: Puntarenas (Pacific)

    105 Panama City, Panama; Colombia
    Port: Cristobal (Atlantic)

    106 Bogota, Colombia; Colombia
    Port: Cartagena de Indias (Atlantic)

    107 Caracas, Venezuela; Venezeula
    Port: Puerto Cabello (Atlantic)

    108 Godthab, Greenland; Denmark
    Port: Ilulissat (Atlantic)

    109 Charlotte Amalie, Virgin Islands; Denmark
    Port: St. Croix (Caribbean)

    110 Reykjavik, Iceland; Denmark
    Port: Akureyri (Atlantic)

    Potentially bits of western Europe Depending on the map dimensions.




    Vaguely approximating the following with an emphasis on playing realistically rather than looking realistically (navigable rivers tend to screw accuracy up visually but are necessary. Navigable rivers would ideally allow you to sail from Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of St. Lawrence through the American continent (Mississippi River> Illinois River> Lake Michigan > Lake Huron > Lake Erie> Lake Ontario > St. Lawrence Seaway) which would allow for major naval campaigns beyond the obvious Atlantic and Pacific theaters. Plus it makes the bazillion major cities on the lakes relevant for more than the much sought after War of 1863 between America and Britain.

    I also think it would be smart to put in a Nicaragua Canal. It's not historic, but if they had gone through with it, it would have been done by 1861 (estimated at 12 years starting in 1849.) Otherwise you'd have to circumnavigate the Arctic Circle with your fleets and that's not really possible.



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    I'd also like to mention it should be a sandbox of sorts. Very open to alternate history. While the American Civil War was only four years, the period IMO really stretches from 1853-1918 [While certainly innovative WWI aircraft aren't terribly more useful than cavalry and artillery and the war stayed within the general principles of the civil war ie. running across open fields to be fragged by cannons (termed a "Battle") or digging a pit and waiting to be hit by a howitzer shell (termed a "Siege"]. The Crimean War through World War I mark the period of the birth of Modern Warfare. I'd start the timeline at 1860 and leave it pretty open. So things like repeating rifles and Gatling guns would be certainly available. Maybe even flamethrowers since they're historic to invention in 1901 and a prolonged civil war would have led to all sorts of gadgets, though I'm not sure how useful they'd be.
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    That would be a great mod(a bit more modern and an very interesting topic)!

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    I'm trying to figure out how to implement an electoral system. Naturally the Papal College would work. This would allow Lincoln to play as a Faction Leader in game, while still being a politician (priest.) Something to note would be the massive build up at the beginning of the game in terms of generals and agents. I mean massive. At least for the major powers of the game.

    Now, the only faction in the system would be the United States. Now, since Jefferson Davis was essentially appointed provisional president of a provisional government from the position of Major General and recently before that a Senator of Mississippi (and an outspoken critic of the secession due to his fear the Union would not allow states to leave peacefully... brilliant foresight Mr. President...)

    Theoretically any successor to Davis would be appointed until the war was concluded (its hard to run an election when you're a de facto (though not de jure) illegal regime in open rebellion against your countrymen...) So the Democratic element isn't really an issue there. Effectively it's American Exceptionalism. There are plenty of Republics but they're all second class compared to the Union in the game.

    So basically if the POTUS dies there is an election to replace him from among the various nations.

    I believe you can mod it so that there is also a Family Tree, which would be the place for the faction heir: Winfield Scott and the various generals Irwin McDowell, George McClellan, John Pope, Ambrose Burnsides, Joseph Hooker, George Meade, Winfield Hancock, Henry Halleck, Ulysses Grant, Don Buell, William Rosecrans, William Sherman, George Thomas, Philip Sheridan, Daniel Sickles, John Reynolds, John Fremont, Oliver Howard, and more. All of whom should begin the game (minor historical difficulties aside) with some characterful traits and ancillaries and develop into the mixed bag of geniuses, heroes, and scoundrels we all know and love.

    Likewise on the South and other factions though it would take more research obviously to represent the peripheral factions. For example Jackson would begin as "Eccentric." John Reynolds would be "Incredibly Unlucky." Grant of course would be a "Teetotaler" despite rumors to the contrary.
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    This would indeed be a Epic Map.
    Keep up the good work.

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    I'm thinking of lots of units like the Utah Mormon "Nauvoo Legion", "Hunter Patriots" of New York and "Hunter Brothers" of Quebec. Kansas"Jayhawkers", Missouri "Border Ruffian" irregulars, Virginian "Raiders", "Green Mountain Boys" in Vermont, "Texas Rangers" in Texas, etc. Cherokee Braves from Oklahoma, Cheyenne Dog Soldiers, Lakota Cavalry from Nebraska, Buffalo Soldiers, Sioux Warriors in the Dakotas, and such. Obviously there are the tradition militias, volunteers, and regulars on both sides, but there's a lot of room for diversity beyond just adding certain units. New York will have it's Fire Zouaves and Louisiana will have it's Tigers. etc. etc. etc.
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    Just one question, Denmark?

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    Just one question, Denmark?
    They owned Greenland, Iceland, and the Virgin Islands. In Summa just go with it.

    Another thing is, with some finagling, I can probably squeeze Britain, France, and Spain onto the map and maybe western Africa. That would give me French, Spanish, and British Imperial holdings, and a Pseudo-American Liberia. That opens up another theater and really makes it interesting. I would crop the map around the Aleutian islands and then expand it on the Eastern side and then cram a bit. The southern cut off for south America and west Africa are pretty similar. About 3 North. Also, Hawaii would probably be in on the Pacific side if that's the case.
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    If you are going through with this I would prefer if it stayed on the American continent. The British would be present in Canada which could lead to an interesting script where the CSA can fill a few criteria to have them join in the war on their side(which could have happened). Spain had cuba and other islands, same for France.
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    If you are going through with this I would prefer if it stayed on the American continent. The British would be present in Canada which could lead to an interesting script where the CSA can fill a few criteria to have them join in the war on their side(which could have happened). Spain had cuba and other islands, same for France.
    That's most likely what would happen, but I'd have to see if it would fit. The factions would all already be in game. Spain has American colonies. Britain has American Colonies. French Foreign Legionnaires and Morrocan Zouaves conquered Mexico.

    I just think it would be fun to see wider repercussions.
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    I guess so, I just assumed it was an American focused mod based on the name.
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    If you want help with Colombian faction let me know

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    And what about the Dutch?

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    I guess so, I just assumed it was an American focused mod based on the name.
    It certainly was initially, but I like looking at the bigger picture.

    The Civil War almost became a world war. Had Britain and France seriously backed the Confederacy the North would have been at war with Canada and with it's rapidly growing German population (almost the entire XI corps of the Union Army was like first generation German immigrants and even the Generals were German and spoke fluent German) naturally needed to seek out Prussia as an ally who were already looking for excuses to whip the French, which would have brought Austria into the Confederate Entente. Odds are Italy would have gotten involved in a Union-Prussian-Italian Triple Alliance and that would have kept spreading. I mean that's painting with a broad brush, but it was certainly possible.

    I'm kind of considering moving the map out further to include more. The 200 province cap should still be effective, I'd merge some regions and add more and there'd still be good detail. This is still just an on paper exercise, so it very well might stay isolated to the North American continent. It's still focused on the American Civil War.

    Attachment 196341

    Attachment 196342

    Maybe something like that. Obviously that's a crap map, there's no account for the curvature of the earth and Greenland is huge. The former being more in line with my original idea albeit expanded significantly east. The latter is almost a world map approach. They aren't really good. Perhaps I should call it "The War Between The States: The Great Powers"

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    Okay Pazu.

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    And what about the Dutch?
    Depends on the Map. The Dutch Empire as it would appear was like the Netherlands, Dutch Guiana and Dutch Guinea. That would certainly be possible. There's certainly no conspiracy to not include them.
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    You should definitely read Harry Turtledove's books, I think you would love them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Victory_Series
    I personally only own the American Empire series as thats how I found out about him.
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    You should definitely read Harry Turtledove's books, I think you would love them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Victory_Series
    I personally only own the American Empire series as thats how I found out about him.
    I've read a couple of his books although none from the Southern Victory series (aside from Guns of the South which is more science fiction than his usual historical fiction and is a one off book unrelated to the actual series).

    Based on that wiki, the general situation certainly seems plausible. I think the further away from the Civil War he got the less likely it was to turn out the way he suggests, but he was writing it to mirror the real history through different means rather than allow for a different course. They're certainly entertaining.

    It'd certainly be interesting to see an alternate First World War in say 1871 pitting Helmuth Von Moltke against Joseph E. Johnston and a Confederate Expeditionary Force in Napoleon III's France or the like.
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    Okay, here is the "Great Powers" Map.

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    It's effectively the whole world except the Far East and Oceania.

    I haven't actually counted all the regions, but I'm estimating it's close to but just under the 199 limit. I'd say South America and Africa combined are about 50 regions and Europe and Asia are probably 50 tops. I cut out some of the Mexican regions I felt were unnecessary but depending on my count I could add them back in.

    So yeah time to figure out this whole "Applied Cartography" process.

    The advantage of this period is that almost the whole map is in the hands of a handful of Empires or are basically rebel backwaters waiting to be exploited.

    The United States has like 25 provinces. The Confederate States are 11 provinces. Britain will have a handful on every continent but Asia and make up for it in Africa. France will dominate swathes of territory in Africa and a decent chunk of Europe. Spain, the Netherlands, and Portugal have the potential to become pretty extensive. Even Denmark had a decent colonial empire at this point in history. The Ottomans have the potential to do a lot. Prussia and Austria are in their final death-throws before transforming into Imperial Germany and Imperial Austria-Hungary. New Powers are arising in Latin America who could just as well take the fight to their old masters as ally with them.
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    I fully support this mods idea as a American civil war reenactor but did you know an American civil war mod exists its called Secession Civil War fallow the link below or my SIG its team is kinda MIA most of the time maybe you could help them or ask to use some of there stuff good luck on the mod



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    For info on Colombia at this time follow this link:

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    Bump!
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    Well I've decided about the Map. I know that this was originally supposed to be about the Civil War and it still is due to the chronology, but I've done some thinking and I think a full world map and a "Great Powers" theme covering the New Imperialism period would be more interesting and have a broader appeal. It would also prevent me from missing out on the massive diversity and character of the period. Establishing the Union and Confederates would be the initial goal, and then it will hopefully move onto a global perspective. Although it is dreaming big, I would like this to be something which can be sub modded by others later into more regional conflicts, but for the main thrust I think that a Global map is the best option. It will mean less detail, but it will have broader appeal. It will require a mod team, but I would like to teach myself to make the map first before I step up on my soapbox and ask anyone to commit their time to the project. This has the potential to be absolutely enormous in terms of models, but luckily there are lots of general redundancies for Beta versions, etc. I would also like to use various music, art, and photography relating to the period to help create a more living breathing world.

    I believe since it's a free mod with a historic nature anything which isn't public domain should be protected under Fair Use laws. (I think a few brief and violent moments of Khartoum, Four Feathers, and Zulu should be in order in Africa for various things (Zulu would be good for a Colonial Rebellion breaking out, and being Crushed, Khartoum would be good for the rise of the Madhist Faction and Four Feathers for it's destruction. etc.) Gangs of New York would be great for draft riots or the like. Any excuse to put Daniel Day Lewis in something right? And maybe have the James bond theme during an Assassination video of some sort. It's anachronistic, but it's awesome. Don't try to deny this would be a perfect Assassination video:

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    But in all seriousness:


    In saying that, here are my ideas for the mod so far:

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    Faction Name (feel free to correct my spelling, I am a silly American)
    (English Name)
    [Culture Name]
    - (Becomes the Next Power)

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    1. Königreich Preußen (Kingdom of Prussia) [European]–
    2. Deutsches Reich (German Empire) [European]
    3. Kaisertum Österreich (Empire of Austria) [European] –
    4. Österreichisch-Ungarische Monarchie (Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy) [European]
    5. Koninkrijk der Nederlanden (Kingdom of Netherlands) [European]
    6. Empire Français (Empire of France) [European]–
    7. La Troisième République (The Third Republic) [European]
    8. Kongeriget Danmark (Kingdom of Denmark) [European]
    9. Rossiyskaya Imperiya (Russian Empire) [European]
    10. British Empire [European]
    11. United States of America [European]
    12. Confederate States of America [European]
    13. Regno d'Italia (Kingdom of Italy) [European]
    14. Império do Brasil (Empire of Brazil) [Hispanic]
    15. República Argentina (Republic of Argentina) [Hispanic]
    16. Estados Unidos Mexicanos (United States of Mexico) [Hispanic]
    17. Estados Unidos de Colombia (United States of Colombia) [Hispanic]
    18. Imperio Español (Empire of Spain) [Hispanic]
    19. Império Português (Empire of Portugal) [Hispanic]
    20. Mängəstä Ityop'p'ya (Empire of Ethiopia) [African]
    21. Mahdiyyah (Mahdist Jihad) [Africa]
    22. Fanjakan'Imerina (Kingdom of Merina) [African]
    23. Devlet-i Âliyye-i Osmâniyye (The Empire of the Sublime Ottomans) [Arabic]
    24. Dowlat-e Eliyye-ye Irân (The State of Sublime Iran) [Arabic]
    25. ??? (Emirate of Afghanistan) [Arabic]
    26. Dai Nippon Teikoku (The Greater Japanese Empire) [Asian]
    27. Dà Qīng Dìguó (The Great Chinese Empire) [Asian]
    28. Daehan-jeguk (The Greater Korean Empire) [Asian]
    29. Rattanakosin Kingdom (Siam) [Asian]
    30. Očhéthi Šakówiŋ (Council of Seven Fires) (Great Sioux Nation) [Indian]
    31. Minor Powers (Rebels) [Various]


    If your favorite faction didn't appear you can most likely blame Britain for occupying the crap out of them.

    Timeline would be 1861 to some loose and undefined point in the early 1900s. Realistically speaking, it could very well move into a pseudo WWI without the Tanks and the Planes. For example the only real units Imperial Germany and Austria Hungary would need are an elite "Stormtrooper/Jagdkommando" Armored Grenadier unit, and MG08s. Everything else would be older stuff. There was little change in appearance between the Franco Prussian war and WWI. Though that's not really the point.
    Last edited by Col. Tartleton; December 30, 2011 at 09:32 PM.
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