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    What’s the worst mistake you’ve made so far in your campaign? Was it breaking an Alliance, sending a general headfirst into pikes, or just plain ignoring a threat? Do tell, mine is this:


    I was playing Briton for the first time and decided to use the island as an advantage. Before even starting my assault on the main land I used a few years building up an army and establishing a decent economy. After that I took my huge army with three of my generals and launched a full scale assault on the Gaul’s, in the mean time I sent my diplomat to make peace with Germanic Tribes(who I would have to eventually destroy).

    The onslaught was fierce, within a few turns I had already concurred three Gaul villages. With each conquest I would slaughter there population and destroy every building in the settlement, I would then extract my whole army without even leaving a garrison. My attacks were too quick for the barbarian armies to counter me just yet, then as I pushed to there capital and met there two grand armies.

    A fierce battle took place mostly between primitive Barbarian Warbands, but mine proved superior and were able to route the first Gaul army. My generals chased down and slaughtered all of the cowards, including the kings’ son. But out of the woods came another army, this time the King himself. He had a more valiant death and was not killed during the route but instead fought gallantly to his death. Most of there forces were destroyed as they ran from the battle field, and with that I figured that I had vanquished the Gaul’s for the most part. I took up there capital and put all of the population to death.

    There were only three Gaul cites left that I knew of, the one in the heart of Spain, and the two above Italy. These settlements were far enough from mine so I just established a good defense on my border settlements in case the broken people decided to exact vengeance on my armies. Now I should have been more concerned with hunting the Gaul’s down until I had done away with every last one of them, but instead I turned my focus to the other barbarian tribe, Germania.

    A mistake that I should have never done, I opened the war on two fronts when I could have avoided it. My initial campaign against Germania did not go over well, I was able to capture two of these cities with great loses on my men. I had a lot of trouble with there pikes, which I was not used to fighting. Most of my troops and supplies were heading towards the east to reinforce my garrison in the two cites I had captured; I also had armies around the borders to protect from my new German enemies. Then something happened the Gaul’s started spilling in from the south (Spain) and began to besiege my cities, once they set siege to three cities in one turn.

    This turn around had me screwed, on one hand I was dealing with ferocious pikemen from Germania inflicting great loses upon my troops, it took a lot of resources just to hold the two cities that I had captured from them. Then endless numbers of Gaul’s began to assault the underdeveloped cities with no generals guarding them.

    At this instant the battering rams of the Gaul’s are rattling my gates and my captains have gathered all men able to wield arms to the center of the towns and are prepared to fight till the death if need be, I will not allow retreat. Any troops garrisoned in a city are going to live or die with it, there will be no surrender. It is now my job as a faction leader to gather the resources and mobilize my army so I may secure my borders in time, so that not everything will be lost.

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    My altime worst mistake had to be when fighting as Brutii against the Julii.

    I had conquered Greece, Sicily, Carthage, Makedonia, Egypt, part of Seleucia, and just took out the Scipii. I turned against the Senate and had two fullstack armies sieging Rome. I had five almost fullstack legions going against the Julii, who held Gaul, Spain, and Northern Italy. They had one fullstack army, three half full armies, and a bunch of battered cavalry units.
    I had two of my legions north of Rome, two in Northeast Italy, and one in Transalpine Gaul.
    The Julii armies were surrounded, or so I thought...

    In one turn I moved my northeastern legions against the three half stack armies. They won without trouble.

    The next turn I moved my two legions north of Rome to fight the Julii fullstack. My first army arrived, and got into an intense fight which stayed as a draw for a while, because my second army was too late for the battle. The enemy army eventually fled the field, and on the campaign map I chased them into Gaul. In the thin mountain pass, I brought my Gallic legion to block the army as my other two were in hot pursuit.

    As the enemy army met my Gallic legion, three fullstack armies of legionnaires and cavalry came out of the trees from behind me, and were included in the fight. I was surrounded, so I had to fight until death. I managed to take out the battered army, but the three fresh legions mutilated me.

    So, I had two legions in a row in the mountain pass, fighting head on with three enemy legions.

    Eventually my first legion died out, and my second legion was outnumbered. To help them, I brought my two legions from northeastern Italy to the pass.
    The enemy legions were getting weary of constant battles, and kept losing more than I did every time.
    It was getting better for me now.

    Until the horde arrived.
    Apparently five turns ago the Julii made the Germans their protectorate, and now Germany sent a horde of several near-fullstack armies through the northern Italian pass.
    I was flanked and outnumbered.

    Meanwhile, my armies sieging Rome were getting smaller, and required backup. I couldn't let them stop sieging Rome, because I needed it for money and reinforcements.

    My three legions stuck in the pass died.
    Then, the people of Rome sallied. I fought them off, but they retreated, doing the same for three turns.
    The German horde and a Julii legion arrived, and by overkilling one of my armies and routing the other, they freed Rome.

    Now, the Dacians decided to come through the eastern Italian pass, and start a war with the Julii. Now the Julii were at war with an enemy horde, and so sent a pile of legions through Italy to defend their towns. The Dacians fled, and now I had uncountable armies rampaging through Italy, with me as their only enemy.

    I guess the Dacians weren't too cowardly after all - they went home, but just to retrain and conquer my Greek states. I had already lost my big money making regions - Capua, Carthage, Makedonia, Alexandria...

    At that point I was doomed.

    Why was that the worst mistake I ever made?

    Because my action of sending two armies to chase a routing legion led to every other horrible event. If I didn't chase them, my fleet could pick up my Gallic legion and ship it to Greece. Makedonia would be saved.
    My Italian legions could go in forts and hold the north while Rome was taken, and I could have an extra legion to ship to Carthage.
    I would have enough money to buy troops in Alexandria, and Capua would not have rioted due to underfunded sewers.
    Dacia would have been held back, and Numidia would have Julii armies to deal with, and the Julii would not be believing a barbarian invasion was taking place, and send all its forces to my position.

    One simple move ruined my holdings in several regions.

    Its very late, and Im tired...

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    Default Re: Worst mistake in your campaign?

    Getting into a two front war of attrition with Makedonia, Carthage and Gaul.

    Took about 40 years of constant warfare to get out of that one.
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    Placing my onagers way behind my front line, and setting them to fire at will + fire rocks. I have never seen another army roast like that one...

    Oh, another one would have to be using the general's cavalry to attack a flank. It usually works, though one time it failed miserably and the result was a dead faction leader.

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    My worst mistake would be when playing as the julii...

    Took out gaul, spain, in other words western europe.

    Then started war with the britons, who had taken out the germans.

    Running out of money to build an army, i decided that i'll pull troops out of spain to fight in the east. Mistake.

    The whole Iberian peninsula goes to the rebels, except the town in the middle, where my three general units fought them all off...

    Lost more money, but lucky that the 2 armies I already had did well in the east.

    Worst mistake on the battle map: not knowing where the enemy re-inforcements are coming from.

    One unit of warband attack me, and the army i was sieging sally forth. That army was massive.

    So I put my forces facing the warbands, but at the back of the setting up area, which i usually do. Enemy re-inforcements arrive. Behind me.

    I had all sorts of barbarian crap land on my rear end, my general just escapes, and half my army dies. But I won. Close, though.
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    I play: No savegame reload, no pause in battle, no radar in battle, and I increased the fog settings about 3x to 4x density... so sometimes... finding enemies on the battle field involves cavalry recon or sending out skirmishers to find where the heck the enemy are located (Darth formation mod so they can be almost anywhere). So, sending out a screen like that can, if I'm not careful, dangerously divide up my army. Also, I've modified how the AI recruits so mostly only the best AI units get drafted into their armies, so:

    I've had a lot of disasters in northern Europe with the barbarians swooping out of the fog unexpectedly upon me from an angle that IS going to severely hurt my men when they hit and had to desperately turn who I could, take BAD losses, and even retreat.

    I've had desert sandstorm battles where my visibility is cut down so much, I never see more than about a third of the enemy at a time and lose count of how many enemy SHOULD be present, they seemed like unending hordes. I retreated, lost men due to that and found out the last two units of the enemy we were fighting WERE the last two units (grrr).... years to recover...

    I was invading Rhodes. An initial ship recon indicated only about 200 men on the island. I sent entire legion of highly skilled (though post Marian reform they were old Hastati and Principes) troops. They landed and sieged the city. Though the general had a 3 chevron Onager with him, he got wierd and decided to starve out the enemy for a year before assualting. He had it in his cocky head to take the town with minimal casualties. In 6 months, a Greek relief force arrived and attacked him. Surrounded on three sides. In the battle he faced the largest force of them and beat them back through some fierce fighting, Then turned to face the enemy coming from behind. He forgot about the third small force coming on the right flank. No radar to remind me until I *heard* a bunch of screaming pounding hooves off to that side. He thought, "I have no Cavalry on that side..." turned, and pretty much saw half his army roll up and retreat and then get slaughtered. No roman made it out alive.... It took another 10 years to build up another force to take the island...

    I once severely underestimated the strength of an enemy general unit in a city assault. My Principes met him on one street and 4 cohorts charged him. The line appeared stable for awhile and then slowly, inexorably he beat them back, destroying 3 cohorts. A trail of Scipiones blue behind him littering the street... He would have taken the last cohort too but I had the foresight of lining up another 5 behind them ready with pilum for when they broke- I retreated the last desperate cohort and let him have it- got him, but what a cost!

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    Sending a full army in to 1 schip, THEY (Germans) SUNK IT !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuji
    Sending a full army in to 1 schip, THEY (Germans) SUNK IT !!!
    LOL, I too have done this, with a load of heavy onagers, urban cohorts and legionary cavalry - never made that mistake again, I now bunch up my fleets so there is at least 300 men in each set!

    I also noticed that if I tried to offload the army onto shore from a ship, with a faction heir/leader, the whole ary simply disappeared, never to be seen again!

    My only 'N00B' mistakes, when I first played the game was trying to take on Spain and Egypt very early on, with hindsight, not wise at all, I lost pretty quickly!

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    Once I somehow got involved in a fight with the Brutii, Scipii, Senate and Egypt. And everyone in my cities hated me. And my army was spread around the world in small easy-to-destroy groups. I got massacred.

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    Playing as Macedonia, I got into a three front war against the Romans, Thracians, Dacians, Scythians, Ponts, Egypt, and Seleucia. I won, after nearly 130 some years of constant fighting, but my economy was crap and my coffers were all but depleted. On the plus side, I had nearly 15 full stacks of Royal Pikes,Companion/Macedonian cav, and merc Cretans with VERY capable generals ready to take over more territory!

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    This was back when i played vanilla; i was playing as julii took all the west but onto the east fierce defences i couldn't get in i could of went round lol.

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    My worst mistake was last night, playing as Carthage. I opened up a 3 front war in Spain, Italy and Sicily. I was going to bring in my large Spanish force to help in Italy where I was dealing with the stupid Julii, but recalled it to take Gauls settlement Numanita because I had reinforcements coming from Carthage to Italy. I had captured Arretium and was trying to hold onto it because the army I had used to taken it was very bloodied. Then the Gauls sent a large army to repel my army, the reinforcements headed to northern Italy in a ship were chased away by rebels, and the Scipii just landed two full stacks in Sicily, and the Greeks (who im also at war with) also have a full stack in sicily. Needless to say I cant advance in any direction and just hope to fight a war of attrition in Sicily till reinforcements from Carthage are ready.
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    Erm, my worst mistake would have to be overwriting a game that was just 3 provs away from victory lol. Seriously, It would probably be invading Asia minor with less than a full stack, when at the time i had a huge debt and had revolting cities in Africa and Northern Italy. And yes my invading army got annilhated.

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    also i have lost whole armies when my ships were sunk!!!
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    I thought it was taking a long time to build some rams. Then I noticed I had built 3 of the things. But I didnt have any infantry so couldnt use the rams. So couldnt assault the city. As its the romote city in the bottom right corner thats not easy to put right. No infantry or spies nearby.

    All the mercenaries for hire have been cavalry units.

    Two more turns before I starve them out. That will be a first. Slowed down my Egyptian conquest of Perthia.
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    Mine was probably thinking that the Romans would leave me alone. However, ive managed to defend myself against them despite this mistake.

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    Playing as Carthage.

    Early in the game, I decided to conquer Iberia first, build it as an economic base, and then go for Italy. I had an army fighting small skrimishes on Sicily to hold the Romans off limits. Also I had build a decent navy and controlled the seas around Carthage, Sicily and Sardinia (which I still occupied). Feeling secure, I stripped North Africa from troops to gather some large stacks for my Iberian campaign. This was the mistake.

    The first moves went quite good, I won ground in Iberia quickly. However, I maybe should have wondered when the Greeks on Sicily suddenly stabbed my back, sieging Lilybaeum. Then the disaster happened. I don´t know how they did it, but some tiny Scipii fleet managed to slip through my naval screen and landed a huge stack army directly near Carthage! Siege. The next turns it got even worse. A second Scipii fleet arrived at my shores, unloading a second (though smaller) army to siege..err...the city south of Carthage, you know. Of course I discovered this fleet before, but could not sink all their ships, so their remains were enough to transport the army. The same time, another Roman army appeared on Sicily right in the back of my local army (which was somewhat weakend after fighting off the Greek). I lost the field battle and hardly managed to defend Lilybaeum. To put the cream on the top, the Julii decided to land on Sardinia and conquer my city there.

    Immediately, I withdrew all troops from Iberia to lift the sieges on my North African cities. This of course let the Iberians (and Gauls) free choice in this region. I abandoned Iberia, leaving it to the barbarians. At least I managed to destroy the Scipii forces in North Africa, regain control of the seas and relief Lilybaeum. After that, it took me years and years to rebuild my forces, take all of Sicily, retake Sardinia and finally lead another big campaign in Iberia to win the once-abandoned provinces back. Lots of lost time, you guess!

    But I learned one thing: no matter which faction you play, Carthaginians, Greeks, Gauls, Macedonians, whatever, never ever give the Romans the opportunity to hit your unprotected flank, cause they will do. It may look convenient to concentrate on weaker enemies first to build an economic abse, but you always need a shield against the Romans because they are the probably most aggressive and dangerous faction in the game.

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    I've done several stupid things playing Rome, some of which you've noted here-

    20 divisions, 3 of them generals, sunk in a naval battle

    "Engage and flank" failing to notice the fact that their pike line wasn't engaged yet...lost some horses there

    Autoresolving battles and taking 3-1 casualties against rebels, never do this, ever, ever

    Autoresolving sieges, losing the siege, 10 divisions, and a general. Did I mention never autoresolve?

    Failing to exterminate populations because of "mercy" or "because they were my lands" (the same lands that were rioting at low tax...)

    etc, etc, etc. It is likely I've done something stupid more times than I could ever count in this game, and this is by far not an exhaustive list.
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    Default Re: Worst mistake in your campaign?

    i sometimes autoresolve, just to save time, but i know it would be better if i played all battles on my own =(
    but as my worst mistake i would probably say it is (still is) atacking stronger opponent, who has many alies and before you realize you are in war not with 1 faction but 3. Alwas check who you are dealing with!
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    Worst would be auto resolve. KIlling 15% more people than I would have if I would have done it.
    Also, breaking diplomacies with allies who are allied with a lot of other factions. 5 factions gang up on me and I'm screwed.
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