Vote for the rebel factions!

[Zarax]

Since it's not possible to use player factions for shadowing (IE ERE/WRE BI rebels equivalent) we will have to create unplayable factions in order to ackieve a working loyalty system.

Please choose at least one option about which factions to change and at least one about the rebel faction you want.

Your vote counts, so go ahead and tell us what you would like!

[Kara Kolyo]

i almost never play with those barbarian factions but is better to have them than 3 identical romans. seleucids should get rebels- something like bactria in RTR and EB

[Zarax]

Well, the problem would be that if we put in something like baktria or epirus the next thing players will want is to have them fully featured and playable, so I'll stick with generic rebels factions for now...

Some examples:

GCS - Independent City States
Ptolemies - Machimoi
Romans - Republican rebels
Seleucid - Persian warlords
Carthage - mercenary rebels
Macedon - molossians

[Cyrus the Virus]

Voted Sel rebels.

[Kara Kolyo]

i didn't mean to put another faction just to have stronger rebels for the seleucids, which will present in a simplified way all the problems they had with diferent nationalities in the empire

[Zarax]

Well, seleucids will get rebels for sure unless the polls will choose 3 other different factions... Same for the romans imho but they can get a different treatment.

[Sacred]

Crap, ment to choose seleucids not macedon.......

[Warmaster]

well i wish i couldve voted for more than one option as there's multiple things which i'd like to see happen, so heres the list of the options i wouldve voted for if i could do them all:

1 - Unified rome + free up faction slots
2 - Remove Britons (if #1 doesnt free up all the slots you need)
3 - Roman rebels
4 - Seleucid rebels

Just my 2c...

[Zarax]

Err, you could have voted for multiple options you know...

[Warmaster]

ohh lol, i didnt know that...

ah well

[Zarax]

Roman and seleucid rebels appears to be certain anyways, so don't worry lol

[DimeBagHo]

Here is how I see things:

Unified Rome seems like an obvious choice. I might even take a look at eliminating the Senate (for historical reasons, it would be weird to have the Senate and Republican rebels around) although I doubt if the Senate faction could be re-used. One of the other Roman factions should be re-used for Roman rebels.

Numidia is a challenge to play, but is otherwise uninteresting, so I think the obvious choice here is to turn it into a rebel faction for Carthage. Leaving it otherwise unchanged would be a reasonable option (historically the Numidians started out as clients of Carthage but then rebelled, and did emerge as a new power for a while). We could also make it into a full Carthage rebel facation with the same unit roster as Carthage (historically reasonable, as some Carthaginian cities like Thapsus did turn against Carthage itself, although they never emerged as a new power). We could also make it a Carthaginian mercenary faction (historically somewhat reasonable, because at various times Carthage's mercenary forces did turn against them, but they never amounted to anything like a new faction).

In order of preference I think the following factions should get rebel factions: (1) GCS - it is, after all, the focus of the mod, and a faction which was historically very unstable; (2=) Seleucids & Ptolemies, as both factions are large, powerful, interesting to play, and historically were plagued by rebellion; (4) Macedon; (5) Thrace. After that I am more or less indifferent.

Unified Rome would give us one more free Roman faction, and if we drop the Britons and Dacians then we have three slots to use, which I think should go to the GCS, Seleucids, and Ptolemies. As noted Thrace might make a good rebel faction for Macedon, but it's fun to play so I am not wild about that idea, or we could drop Iberia and convert it to a Macedonian rebel faction.

[Zarax]

Well regarding rebellions my personal plan would be more or less this:

- Step 1: Keep our unified rome campaign, +2 slots

- Step 2: Republican rebels triggered on event (if faction outlawed can be used as event, otherwise I think we can set them if Rome is conquered), actually it would be quite historical, the republic supporters in the civil war supported pompey but in the end it would have been choosing one dictator over the other for them...
It would also help into preserving the 3 shadowing factions limit in the game which would cause CTDs if surpassed.

- Step 3: GCS rebel faction (Independent City States? We could make them present from the start giving them some hellenic city states like syracuse, cyrene, and a few others)

- Step 4: Scrap the britons, javelin chariots can be used by some faction like pontus so that we keep the only cool thing they got

- Step 5: Machimoi rebels to keep the ptolemies in check

- Step 6: Dacia is just a barbarized version of the trachians in the game, they can be scrapped imho

- Step 7: Persian rebels for the seleucids*

- Step 8: Either iberia or numidia can be taken out, the first historically was mostly a mercenary source and rebellious area rather than a coherent state while numidia was a protectorate for most of it history, with romans only having a looser chain on them imho

- Step 9: Mercenary rebels for carthage

*I would make some attempts at having the seleucids unkillable somehow, maybe with an unconquerable city somewhere so that parthia could be used as in the MM campaign they are quite good at replicating historical situation imho

[Locky]

Yeah. I like the idea of another set of "rebel" Greek city states.

[Venom]

I like the Unified Rome campaign.

[Juus]

I like the Unified Rome campaign.

Same here.

[Zarax]

If we can manage to get things as we planned you will have the best of both worlds for unified Rome, a single faction to manage plus a big challenge once you will be outlawed or try to conquer Rome...

[DimeBagHo]

Plans for the rebel factions are settled now, so I have de-stickied this thread. Thanks for the feedback, it's always helpful to know what people would like to play.