Tehran should be punished

[Alcibiades429]

If Iran does not cease its effort to develop a nuclear weapon I think the course of action America should take is military action. The threat to Israel is too grave in the long term strategically, from the moment of of the conception of such a weapon it would only be a matter of time before Israel is eventually forced to pass under a yoke. They will no longer be able to take preemptive aggressive military force, the exact concept that was instrumental to their greatest successes of survival.

The Cia must infiltrate Iran revolutionary groups or desires, the ones that failed recently, and instigate and support one militarily. Just like Libya. And then they must install a puppet government like Egypts Mubarack, except more successful of course.

If this is done, Hezbollah will fall also, and finally the Lebanese government could be comprimised. I don't see why this is isnt obvious as it furthers our interest. To hell with their soverignty, respect like that did not bring America to its glory in the 50's and 60's.

Discuss.

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

Seems awfully expensive, especially when the US has a collossal debt. Although I agree about something needing to be done. I'd say economic action would be cheaper and much more humane.

[SPECTREtm]

Seems awfully expensive, especially when the US has a collossal debt. Although I agree about something needing to be done. I'd say economic action would be cheaper and much more humane.

and exceptionally less effective...

[Jedi1]

and exceptionally less effective...

You mean less effective at ing over their country destroying its infrastructure killings tens of thousands while reducing its people to misery and poverty and preventing them challenging western and Israeli interests? Yes, we really want to be more effective in doing these things.

[Nevins]

You mean less effective at ing over their country destroying its infrastructure killings tens of thousands while reducing its people to misery and poverty and preventing them challenging western and Israeli interests? Yes, we really want to be more effective in doing these things.

I think that the ruling establishments refusal to allow their people the kinds of rights and legislation that will encourage foreign investment and commerce is doing a pretty good job of that already.

[Jedi1]

I think that the ruling establishments refusal to allow their people the kinds of rights and legislation that will encourage foreign investment and commerce is doing a pretty good job of that already.

And so we need to help by bombing them why if your so convinced they are ruining themselves?

[Jedi1]

Your position relies on the assumption that Iran is trying to develop nukes, for which their is no evidence, unless you know something I don't. Leaving aside the fact the what you propose is not something I would ever consider glorious and neither were the Cold war actions of the US.

[Mr. Scott]

Your position relies on the assumption that Iran is trying to develop nukes, for which their is no evidence, unless you know something I don't. Leaving aside the fact the what you propose is not something I would ever consider glorious and neither were the Cold war actions of the US.

Do you honestly believe they aren't trying to?

[Jedi1]

Do you honestly believe they aren't trying to?

On the one hand, they have a powerful motive. However on other they consistently deny they are doing so and no credible, definitive evidence has been produced to show they are despite the inspections of the IAEA. They could be secretly developing them behind closed doors or the could be developing nuclear power with a mind towards future possibilities and needs. But until evidence is produced to one way or the other neither you nor I can say with certainty either way.

My position is that we simple do not know. Even if it could be definitively proved that they were developing nukes I would be vehemently opposed to any military intervention.

[Nevins]

1. No.

2. No.

3. No.

This has been covered pretty extensively in the other Iran related threads, so go read through those and then rethink your OP. The short version is - They need to stop having a victim complex, the US needs to put on its big boy pants and have a serious chat with them about what the region is going to look like in the future. Iran is the logical hegemon of the region and artificially empowering other countries is counterproductive.

[Exarch]

if israel and saudi arabi feel so strongly about going to war against Iran, let them take the front line and form the vanguard, rather than getting the US and NATO to fight its wars for them.

no?
then off

if u aint got the ing balls to go to war yourself, to be in the ing frontline, then dont go around expecting other ppl to fight and die for you.

[hellheaven1987]

We all know Middle East is just like Ancient Greece now, has three powers want to seek the hegemony and willing to play around with big brother United States just to be the silly master of Middle East; lets hope Revolutionary Egypt can play the role of Macedon and crush those three silly Middle East players and bring the war to big brother United States, just like Alexander did to Persian Empire.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Made my day

[Black John]

Well the problem here is we dont understand that President Obama has essentially allied us with Iran. All of his moves in the middle east seems rather low watt and piecemeal. His stance towards Israel, Egypt, UAE, Syria, Terrorism, Saudis are different than previous administrations. All of his moves makes sense if you place us on Iran's side. If you want a recent example look up the drone we just gave them and yes we gave it to them.

[Nevins]

Well the problem here is we dont understand that President Obama has essentially allied us with Iran. All of his moves in the middle east seems rather low watt and piecemeal. His stance towards Israel, Egypt, UAE, Syria, Terrorism, Saudis are different than previous administrations. All of his moves makes sense if you place us on Iran's side. If you want a recent example look up the drone we just gave them and yes we gave it to them.

Um, no we did not. Do you have a shred of evidence to support this claim.

[TheDarkKnight]

I doubt any officer would actually listen to an order to "give" a fairly hostile nation a piece of expensive and valuable technology.

[hellheaven1987]

I doubt any officer would actually listen to an order to "give" a fairly hostile nation a piece of expensive and valuable technology.

You bet it.

Some sources I have read claim Reagan actually approved it personally, awesome.

[TheDarkKnight]

You bet it.

Some sources I have read claim Reagan actually approved it personally, awesome.

I said officer, not President...Lol

But then again, Reagan was an officer, so who knows...

Edit: My bad, you meant North.

Guns are different than drone technology. And back then, they didn't have Ahmadinejad, who is a nut bag as far as I'm concerned...

[hellheaven1987]

Guns are different than drone technology. And back then, they didn't have Ahmadinejad, who is a nut bag as far as I'm concerned...

... US did not sell guns to Iran, the selling list was about TOW and AA missiles, which Iranian government was intended to use against Iraqi armor and jets.

Which means it can also against US armor.

[Nevins]

... US did not sell guns to Iran, the selling list was about TOW and AA missiles, which Iranian government was intended to use against Iraqi armor and jets.

Which means it can also against US armor.

What strange logic. By extension the US could never sell any weapons to anyone because they might be able to be used against us later.