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    Default I Shall call it...Bushantium! Bushtantinople! Bushandria!

    Three years after a U.S.-led invasion toppled Saddam Hussein, only one major U.S. building project in Iraq is on schedule and within budget: the massive new American embassy compound.

    The $592 million facility is being built inside the heavily fortified Green Zone by 900 non-Iraqi foreign workers who are housed nearby and under the supervision of a Kuwaiti contractor, according to a Senate Foreign Relations Committee report. Construction materials have been stockpiled to avoid the dangers and delays on Iraq's roads.

    "We are confident the embassy will be completed according to schedule (by June 2007) and on budget," said Justin Higgins, a State Department spokesman.

    The same cannot be said for major projects serving Iraqis outside the Green Zone, the Senate report said. Many — including health clinics, water-treatment facilities and electrical plants — have had to be scaled back or in some cases eliminated because of the rising costs of securing worksites and workers.

    "No large-scale, U.S.-funded construction program in Iraq has yet met its schedule or budget," the committee report said.

    Security is the "No. 1 factor that impedes progress," said Stuart Bowen, the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction.

    Contractors and Army Corps of Engineers officials "are being shot at or threatened every day," he said. At least 467 contractors in Iraq have been killed, said Christine Belisle, a spokeswoman for the special inspector general.

    According to the special inspector general's office, which Congress created to oversee U.S. projects in Iraq, 25% of nearly $21 billion for Iraq reconstruction has been diverted to pay for security.

    The massive new embassy, being built on the banks of the Tigris River, is designed to be entirely self-sufficient and won't be dependent on Iraq's unreliable public utilities.

    The 104-acre complex — the size of about 80 football fields — will include two office buildings, one of them designed for future use as a school, six apartment buildings, a gym, a pool, a food court and its own power generation and water-treatment plants. The average Baghdad home has electricity only four hours a day, according to Bowen's office
    - http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...-embassy_x.htm

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    THE question puzzles and enrages a city: how is it that the Americans cannot keep the electricity running in Baghdad for more than a couple of hours a day, yet still manage to build themselves the biggest embassy on Earth?

    Irritation grows as residents deprived of air-conditioning and running water three years after the US-led invasion watch the massive US Embassy they call “George W’s palace” rising from the banks of the Tigris.


    In the pavement cafés, people moan that the structure is bigger than anything Saddam Hussein built. They are not impressed by the architects’ claims that the diplomatic outpost will be visible from space and cover an area that is larger than the Vatican city and big enough to accommodate four Millennium Domes. They are more interested in knowing whether the US State Department paid for the prime real estate or simply took it. - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...162249,00.html
    - QUite Biased. Look at USA today for a less acidic article.


    At first, I had assumed that the timesonline would have been 'leftist lies', because of what was posted on the site I came across it on, but I did a google search and it came up with other results, one of which (USA TODAY) is not some backwater semi-blog Newspaper.


    Assuming USA today is more on the money, not mentioning it being seen from space (Which, though it sounds impossible, isnt. We think only the great wall can be seen but airports and other such large thing's can also be seen. The great wall is long, not thick. Even so, I doubt it can be seen from space) but mentioning it's self sufficence and a general superiority to the condition of Iraqi's in the city now..is that all that right?


    They mention handing over the original palaces of Saddam back to the Government in the Yahoo article. you can see a wonderful case of just what different sources state in the mood and theme of them, that the USA today or Yahoo one is far less 'bad' in situation, than the Lefty-one.

    What's your thoughts? That we should simply spend less time on a grandiose embassy (When any other countrie's would be suffering likely in the same way the Iraqi's are) and more on getting the infastructure back, or what?

    Still think the title is apt.

    Kinda taken away my stance of it now that i've read other sources besides the leftist one, so I dont think there's much point for the topic

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    Default Re: I Shall call it...Bushantium! Bushtantinople! Bushandria!

    Oh dear God why???

    Wouldn't it be better to help rebuild Iraq first?

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    I can assume one reason why the US Embassy in Iraq is so big:

    To get people to volunteer to work there. Another reason may be so it can house a larger security contingent to prevent what happened in Iran from happening there if the **** hits the fan.
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    But Iraqis aren't the ones in charge of what gets built, so their buildings aren't being built. I mean, it's only their country after all - what right do they have to their own clean water?

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    “George W’s palace”

    That, and that alone, is a good reason to NOT build this embassy. Or at least, not make it so palace-like. Spread that money around, for real, get these people electricity and running water, for god's sake...

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    $600 million for an embassy...an embassy for crying out loud! Most pro football stadiums don't even cost that much, *** damn! That thing better have a 75,000 person seating capacity or else it'll be seen as a huge waste of time and the American taxpayer's money.

    Why not simply erect a solid gold, 100 foot tall statue of Bush to show the Iraqi people who "liberated" them? You know, something like what Nero put up after Rome burned to celebrate his own greatness.

    Damn waste, all of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunterKYA
    Why not simply erect a solid gold, 100 foot tall statue of Bush to show the Iraqi people who "liberated" them? You know, something like what Nero put up after Rome burned to celebrate his own greatness.
    What a fantastic idea. It might send the wrong message to the Iraqis but it's definetly worth considering for the Washington Mall or Time Square.

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    As much as that is significantly bad PR, I can't imagine anyone on the ground over there, local or foreign can maintain much in the way of happy idealism because of fact that the place is an uncivilized hellhole which is not bloody likely to unify nationally within the next 300 years. There's no way to peacekeep long enough to avoid this; local rival factions have to settle their differences themselves, regardless of the means they employ to do so. Peacekeeping will do nothing more than delay the outbreak of more serious hostilities until they depart, which has to occur sooner or later.

    That said, I don't think the US government is going to even pretend to conceal its intentions over there, circumstances being as they are.

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    Now, why is it a hellhole out there? Perhaps because the Bush government actively forbade planning for post-war contingencies (on the grounds that it was 'anti-war')?

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    Wow, they really do plan to just sit inside fortified structures and wait what happens outside. So instead of making iraq safer, they just build strongholds so at least they will be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith Darksea
    Now, why is it a hellhole out there?
    Because Sunnis, Shi'ites, and Kurds have been squabbling over their god-forsaken piece of rock for centuries. I think a Democratic senator recently brought up whether Iraq should be split in three pieces and the oil revenues shared accordingly. I rather like that idea, don't know how possible it is though.
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    Default Re: I Shall call it...Bushantium! Bushtantinople! Bushandria!

    Considering that the Shia have all the oil fields, I don't think that they'd be terribly willing to share it out equally with the Sunnis.

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    Default Re: I Shall call it...Bushantium! Bushtantinople! Bushandria!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith Darksea
    Considering that the Shia have all the oil fields, I don't think that they'd be terribly willing to share it out equally with the Sunnis.
    They'd still be a single entity, just split into three seperate spheres of government. If they didn't I can only imagine that the U.S. would force them to or the Sunnis would start getting militant.
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    I don't like how they are building a big expensive embassy. If they want to population to not ban US imports and cause trouble, they should rebuild schools, hospitals, mosques... Give the USA a good image.
    I guess the embassy may be a way for the populace to get out their anger at being homeless or neglected by throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at the windows. It does have a law and order bonus.

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    Ha, thats awesome.

    I think we should build the largest building on Earth smack dab in the middle of Istanbul, and have it expand every day to take more of the city.

    The plan is to have it cover all of Turkish Thrace. It will be the new American capital.

    Sounds cool, right guys?
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    I saw this on Yahoo! news the other day and was kind of shocked to say the least. The size of the embassy makes no sense at all. If the US is looking to fix its image in Iraq, they're certainly not helping it. Also, I like how the green zone is the alternative reality of Iraq. Where people can relax and live the good life, well others outside of the heavily fortified zone live in miserable conditions, and live with fear, well the government employees live the good life. A little bit of a disconnect? I think so....
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    Default Re: I Shall call it...Bushantium! Bushtantinople! Bushandria!

    An embassy is not the size of 80 football fields. Maybe 10 at the maximum, but 80! Little... extravagant don't you think? And adding on to the topic title: Bushome, Bushdon, Busharis, Bushjing, Bushokyo, and, wait for it, Bushbylon.
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    Bollocks to it. You have to be pragmatic. A conquering force is going to need a strong diplomatic and military presence to remain behind if it honestly intends to withdraw, which the US clearly does, at some point. This is an important building complex and has been given the necessary priority.

    Clean water, garbage removal and electricity are something that Iraqis do not deserve, naturally.

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    Blame BUSH!!! Everything is his fault and his fault alone. Death and old age are his fault!

    Jeez, I admit its completely retarded but to blame yet another thing soley on Bush is absurd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    Blame BUSH!!! Everything is his fault and his fault alone. Death and old age are his fault!

    Jeez, I admit its completely retarded but to blame yet another thing soley on Bush is absurd
    If it is a success then it is thanks to Bush. If it is a failure then obviously someone cocked up lower down in the ranks.

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