New faction Ptolemaic Preview

[lordgeordie]

Hello all

This is a bonus skin pack for SPQR allowing the ptolemaics, it will replace the egyptians, to create a more historic unit line up and look.

This is just a preview so LT can see the units so far and can comment or ask for a change, if you want to comment or have a better idea please use the other forum.

thanks






the main units so far :

elite royal cav unit





















new additions





NEW ADDITION



NEW ADDITION 2



Is this a better version???

[MasterAdnin]

Very nice Lord G.

Peace,
Adnan

[Titus]

Good Job

[Holger Danske]

cool.. where is the normal phalanx guys?

[technishn08]

hold on a sec.... will this faction replace egypt? or will it just get new land next to egypt?

[lordgeordie]

hello

will replace egypt, as an optional element,the normal phalanx troops will arrive shortly as will nubian units and light horse troops, it is just to give LT an idea of how the mod is looking so he can have the final say e.g

- are the colours right
- does he like the symbol
- does he want any additional units or any deleting

etc

[Shaggy1973]

If i might venture to say something ever so slightly negative. You seem to be using CA's faction colour thoery - eg making all the units wear their team colours to allow easy recognition. But I shudder to think what an entire army of ptolemaics will look like amassed on a hill against the egyptian blue sky Perhaps reduce the volume of bright blues, mix things up a little? Eg. the standard archer may be better with white cloth? It seems strange to change a faction unit roster due to lack of historical merit, and then make them all really bright blue (as dyes were very expensive - only the most elite troops would have used them).

Hope that is constructive rather than picky

[Sacred]

It was an extremely constructive comment. But i'm sure either lt or someone else will come in here and say somehting like......."SPQR is not historical mod blah blah blah" as always.

[lordgeordie]

Hello there

Right, the colour is to replace the current egyptians, they are that colour (may be one unit who isn't the white spearmen), in Spqr if you look the carthage units are mostly red, the gaulish units green, the armenian red and gold, the numidians blue, skipi are blue, greeks gold, macedon are black etc (sorry went on abit then).

I know what you mean Shaggy1973 and it is a good comment , but i have to make it so you can tell who is who on the battlefield, as if you are like me you take the banners off so when playing multiplayer, or the campaign you don't want to know where all their troops are, also stops the ability to just count the banners, to know if the enemy are trying to trick you into thinking the whole army is on that hill (trick in multiplayer which can throw a player off if you crowd your units together).

I have tried to vary them enough to make them stand out as seperate units wth differing mixes of colour, if LT wants it i will change a few units to different colours (was actually thinking of a white unit when i started, but not the archers, there are too many white archers lol)

thanks for the opinions, they are brilliant and constructive

[Sacred]

As a side note, I dont think any soldiers would use dies, more like only people of royal heritage. If I recall.

[Sidmen]

True that most soldiers would use dies, however this is SPQR where almost every unit (except for a small few) have died clothing.

PS
this is not a very bright blue, geordie has his brightness turned way up, they actually are much darker in the real game... And to me look incredibly nice.

[fguerin]

Nice job mate.

As for the color, why not a simple white? Egyptians males used to wear white clothes, except nobles whose status allowed them to have dyed clothes.

Have a nice day,

François Guérin

[lt1956]

YES I like them Geordie, keep up the good work they are VERY much in the spirit of SPQR and look VERY VERY polished. You tempt me to use in my own game, if it wasnt for me liking the egyptian ones. lol They are that good, this will be a wonderful Skin/Model pack.

Lt

[lordgeordie]

hello

LT - thanks very much, i am unsure if i will change, i like the original egyptians too LOL, will keep up the work on this and try and get it done very soon.

Sidmen - you are right i do have a my brightness on my ge-force turned up LOL, as long as they look good on everyone elses and ingame.

any minor touches can still be added so give me you ideas

thanks

[Revan The Great]

1. Galatians?

2. I agree that color is slightly annoying, should be at least darker.

3. Legionaires?

4. Seleucids need a Sword Unit! (Off-topic...)

-Revan

[Sétanta]

Color=slightly bad

but everything else is brilliant

[Siddyus]

Must agree with Mudd about the colors. However, most of it especially the unit design looks impressive. This is gonna be a worthy mod to replace the Egyptians--In all my campaigns, Egyptians were weak and hopefully, this mod will make it harder for me to conquer Egypt--I really find it hard to defeat Phalanxes and legionaries especially when I am using a faction who is Infantry reliant such as Romans and Spaniards. lol

[lordgeordie]

Hello

god the colour debate hi hi hi LOL, i can't really change it but take it from Sidmen it looks better in-game (darker)

Revan The Great here is an army breakdown from a historic site (the armoured elephant is in because it is said they had the elephants before the block)

Army Composition
Early Ptolemaic Late Ptolemaic Notes
1 x 3Kn 1 x 3Kn Cleruch Cavalry. Equipped similarly to Macedonian companions, the cleruch cavalry were offered land for military service.
1 x 2LH 1 x 2LH Egyptian "Ethic" light cavalry.
6 x 4Pk 6 x 4Pk Macadonian Phalangites. The bulk of the army was made up of military settlers and mercenaries. The Egyptian native population was considered too unreliable and was only used in dire emergency.
1 x 4Aux -- Peltasts. Equipped with the usual javelin, spear and shield.
-- 1 x 4Aux or 4Bd The blade option represents troops equipped in Roman style as "imitation legionaries".
1 x 4Wb -- Galatan mercenaries.
2 x 2Ps 1 x 2Ps Cretan mercenaries, Egyptian or Syrian archers and slingers
-- 1 x El African elephants of the small forest species were tamed to make up for the lack of Indian elephants after the line of supply was blocked by the Seleucids.
-- 1 x 3/4Aux or 4Wb The irregular option represent Thracian mercenary peltasts.

Army Variants

A later variant of the Later Ptolemaic army includes the army at the time of Cleopatra and her brother/husband Ptolemy XIII, covering the period 54BC to 30BC. Caesar reports that the Ptolemaic army in his day largely comprised brigands and ex-pirates from Cilicia and Syria, exiles and runaway slaves. The phalanx, if present, was supplemented by imitation legionaries and remnant legionaries left behind by a previous Roman expedition. The spear option represents rioting mobs of the non-Egyptian population of Alexandra.

will add the new units soon

[TerraHero]

They look really cool and i cant wait to play them

color doesnt bother me, function over fashion

[lordgeordie]

hello

thanks, i will add more units today (hopefully if i get time to look at them)