Southern European accent

**Aeratus** · December 04, 2011, 08:58 PM

When controlled by the AI, the Southern European accent has a line that says something like "Turkish Chief, come face me." How come the character says that even when you're not Turkish, or am I mishearing something?

**Surgeon** · December 04, 2011, 11:40 PM

It's actually "Talk is cheap, come face me!"

**Aeratus** · December 04, 2011, 11:47 PM

Ok that explains everything! LOL

**Shasqua** · December 05, 2011, 02:56 PM

Heh. I always thought the Mongols said things like "Struggle if you like. I will take YOUR lungs and WOMEN regardless...".

**Teutonic Warlord** · December 05, 2011, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Shasqua

Heh. I always thought the Mongols said things like "Struggle if you like. I will take YOUR lungs and WOMEN regardless...".

They need your organs to sell so they can pay for their kids' college.

**Bobz** · December 06, 2011, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Shasqua

Heh. I always thought the Mongols said things like "Struggle if you like. I will take YOUR lungs and WOMEN regardless...".

I'd be scared of a screaming warrior threatening to take my lungs!!!

**Tidybeard** · December 06, 2011, 11:21 AM

What do the Muslim characters say when you click on them and they are an enemy to you? It sounds like "Siblyawadi, infidel!", I presume the first bit's arabic.

Oh, by the way, "Turkish Chief" made me laugh.

**Blaze of Macedon** · December 06, 2011, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Tidybeard

What do the Muslim characters say when you click on them and they are an enemy to you? It sounds like "Siblyawadi, infidel!", I presume the first bit's arabic.

Oh, by the way, "Turkish Chief" made me laugh.

I know "Hemshi Infidel!"... Which should be like "Get lost" or smth... but "Siblyawadi"?

**Shasqua** · December 06, 2011, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Blaze of Macedon

I know "Hemshi Infidel!"... Which should be like "Get lost" or smth... but "Siblyawadi"?

All they say is "infidel" this, "infidel" that... Even when you're Muslim. Seriously, even the "Fire at Will" command has them say, "Units, shoot at all infidels!" It's absurd.

**Blaze of Macedon** · December 07, 2011, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Shasqua

All they say is "infidel" this, "infidel" that... Even when you're Muslim. Seriously, even the "Fire at Will" command has them say, "Units, shoot at all infidels!" It's absurd.

Yah i agree, they kinda overdo it...

I also hate when my general goes to his speech saying the Mongols are "Saracen"

I know it's cause they count as a Muslim faction but still i think they could've done this better...

**Shasqua** · December 07, 2011, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Blaze of Macedon

Yah i agree, they kinda overdo it...

I also hate when my general goes to his speech saying the Mongols are "Saracen"

I know it's cause they count as a Muslim faction but still i think they could've done this better...

The very fact that the original Mongols portrayed in the game are Muslim is wrong.

**Parzival2211** · December 07, 2011, 04:01 PM

At least, when they appear in the 1st half of the 13th century...

**Mhaedros** · December 08, 2011, 07:34 AM

@Parzival2211: They DID appear in the 1:st half of the 13th century... Maby not to europe, but in the Khwarezmian Empire

**Shasqua** · December 08, 2011, 04:48 PM

Right. What I'm saying is that during the initial waves of Mongol invasions, the Mongols were largely Tengriist, though they believed in complete freedom of religion (quite odd for the Middle Ages), and so there were plenty of Christians and Muslims as well. Later on, after the breakup of the empire, the Ilkhans, the Golden Horde, and occasionally the Chaghatais converted to Islam.

**Parzival2211** · December 09, 2011, 03:23 AM

Mhaedros: I know. They even appeared in Central Europe in 1241 - defeating a Polish/German army at Liegnitz and defeating the Hungarians in the same year. I meant they were not Muslim at that time - at least not the leadership, but Tengriist, as Shasqua rightly points out.

There's a great book about the Mongols from a TW gamer's point of view: "The Mongol Art of War" - forgot name of the author, checking... Timothy May!

**Shasqua** · December 09, 2011, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Parzival2211

Mhaedros: I know. They even appeared in Central Europe in 1241 - defeating a Polish/German army at Liegnitz and defeating the Hungarians in the same year. I meant they were not Muslim at that time - at least not the leadership, but Tengriist, as Shasqua rightly points out.

There's a great book about the Mongols from a TW gamer's point of view: "The Mongol Art of War" - forgot name of the author, checking... Timothy May!

I own it; in fact, it sits right next to my computer for quick reference. It's pretty short at 146 pages, and not too detailed on the campaigns, but very detailed in terms of tactics, organization, and logistics, even going so far as to state the number of calories in horsemilk.

Timothy May avoids exagerrating the skill or equipment effectiveness of the Mongols, and states that even with their typically strong bows and good aim, the Mongols could rarely kill or incapacitate knights or druzhiniks with archery alone, instead shooting their horses and then lancing them. He also freely admits that the average Mongol warrior was considerably inferior to the Mamluks, since the Mongols, though their daily lives prepared them for war, still were often conscripted herdsmen, whereas the Mamluks were a truly elite corps.

**Mhaedros** · December 09, 2011, 05:53 AM

Ah OK, I misunderstood. Also chck "the conquerer"(?) by Conn Iggulden

**Aeratus** · December 09, 2011, 10:06 PM

Even in Mongol vs. Mongol battles, the main mode of combat was not archery, but melee charging and combat. In the Secret History of the Mongols (the historical account of Genghis's unification of the Mongols), you can tell that most of the combat was simply cavalry charging other cavalry.

In addition, Mongol archers often fired dismounted rather than mounted.

**Shasqua** · December 10, 2011, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Aeratus

Even in Mongol vs. Mongol battles, the main mode of combat was not archery, but melee charging and combat. In the Secret History of the Mongols (the historical account of Genghis's unification of the Mongols), you can tell that most of the combat was simply cavalry charging other cavalry.

In addition, Mongol archers often fired dismounted rather than mounted.

Perhaps. But from what I've read, the Mongols would make every attempt to soften up the enemy through archery from all directions before closing in. Sometimes, they did shoot dismounted, but the preferred tactics were encirclement (often deliberately leaving a gap for the enemy to try to flee through so they could be slaughtered) and false retreats.