The Thing (2011)

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    MathiasOfAthens said:

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    Just saw the movie. Awesome film. Really tied in with the original classic from 1982. Loved the movie. One of the best I have ever seen.

    I cant figure out what could have happened to Kate though. Maybe she froze to death in the ship... I thought the ship was completely destroyed in the original.

    Maybe she went to the Russian base? Perhaps this opens up a possibility for a Thing 2? Also I dont remember any other snowcat at the ship site in the original 82. The directors of the prequel really worked on every detail to make sure it matched up so I dont think they would have made a blunder with the snowcats.
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    It was okay, but most of the stuff was shoehorned in and didn't make sense.


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    The Thing itself:
    The Thing in the Carpenter version was a sneaky, intellectual creature that did not like confrontation at all. It's nature is stealth and guile, resorting only to violence when assimilating or exposed. This was totally thrown off for a more instinctual, action oriented creature in the remake. I don't think the Thing is supposed to act like a xenomorph from Alien and attack rather indiscriminately. In the original, there was likely only two or three imitations lurking about and for the most part, were trying to find a way off of Antarctica, not try to assimilate everything around it.

    The use of CGI was exaggerated and removed some of the tension of the creature. Plus that scene when Kate is on the ship hiding in the vent shaft, the Thing would have had the ability to break off a piece of itself to get her.

    I did like the tension of Carter trying to hide from the Thing though. Love hide and seek scenes. It also proved that Carter was still human at that point.

    On the characters:
    The main protagonist throughout the film leaped to immense conclusions over the course of 2 days it took the American team a week to discover. She had 100% accurate intuition that just didn't make it believable. The story should have put more development on the likable Norwegian characters, after all, it was supposed to be about the Norwegian events. Probably the best character was Lars (in the Carpenter version, his name was actually Jans Bolen), the one that didn't speak English and inevitably met his end after flying the chopper to the American camp.

    Her actions just did not make any sense to me or otherwise to the rest of the movie. It felt incredibly like she was jumping to conclusions based entirely off of things she glimpsed for a moment. Nothing like the Thing exists in the field she specializes in, nor does a paleontologist have a great deal of expertise in observing cell structure, which she suddenly understands when glancing at the microscope. What about the Norwegian scientists underneath the senior project leader? Or Lars? Did they not second guess the situation or make their own assessments or come to different conclusions? Where was their human reaction to all this? Compare this to how the characters in the JC version first reacted to the situation, which was mostly with sarcasm. It felt more like "Hey, this sounds like a cool idea, let's throw this in."

    The rest of the characters should have had a different idea of what to do or had opposing theories. This breeds the natural conflict that arises when people face crisis. Not everyone is going to meekly accept it. Just two characters took a look at the microscope and suddenly all at once understood what was happening. Come on... Classic action movie cliche. I've seen all of this in other movies of this type.

    Other Camps?
    We hear about a nearby Russian camp, but this was not mentioned at all in the original. You woulda thought they have gone to them for help if they were nearby instead of everyone from both camps end up assimilated or dead. There's also little mention of McMurdo Station, whom the Americans would have known to call for - as they did in the original.

    The Split-Face Thing:
    Best scene in the whole movie. Totally wasn't expecting that. Brilliant special effects work here and very scary.

    The Suicide Corpse:
    I felt they could have done a better job building up the dread and gloom building up to the man's suicide. Instead, its just barely even mentioned in the conclusion. We see the dogs are killed, but then suddenly one of the Dog-Things escapes at the very end? That didn't make sense to me. Then the helicopter comes in with a character who is relatively ignorant of the situation to make for the helicopter chase finale. Would have been so much better if it had been two of the lone survivors gearing up for one last gasp at survival and saving the human race from potential destruction from this creature. There were so many chances for tension build up and comradery that were missed in place for rushing the plot forward.

    How the spacecraft got blown up:
    In the original, the Norwegians are shown on film blowing up the ship accidentally by using charges to get below the ice. There was no evidence that the ship could still work after it crashed in the original.

    Vehicles near the crash site and outside the camp?
    We see all these characters driving bobcats around, but none of these scattered remains were discovered around the Norwegian camp when MacReady and Copper visit it.

    The test scene:
    Then the whole tooth filling scene.. All it did was put into suspicion those who may not have had visible dental work. I'm glad that they didn't make an imitation Thing-out just because of this. It did nothing to plausibly prove exactly who was an imitation, as was the case with the team leader. It didn't establish much tension either.

    Believe me, this isn't a result of overthinking this movie or comparing it too much to the original. I most certainly was not walking into this movie just to compare them. This was my first reaction to these scenes. It was to the point where I was audibly saying 'What?' in the theater. I then questioned all of my friends on if I was just overanalyzing. But they all uniformly agreed with me that the main character's actions broke the suspension of disbelief. They simply could not wrap their head around the idea that this character came to all of these conclusions with little visual explanation behind it. She did not feel like a three-dimensional character and the film did a poor job of tying point a to point b.

    The cool thing about seeing a movie about survival is you wondering just how that particular person is going to walk away from everything. What's their method of dealing with a crisis? When you are genuinely surprised by a character's actions and rooting for them is a good sign. When you are half-expecting a character's actions and doubting their judgment is a bad one.

    I'd be very willing to let all the other inconsistencies go if it at least had decent character development and we actually cared about what was going on.

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    I posted this quick review on Anagennese

    This is more or less spoiler free. Although, it's been out for a month and a half so I suppose there's a statute of limitations on spoiling it that's either run out or getting close

    2011 version of "The Thing" (actually a prequel but it may as well be a remake. sort of.) left me wanting.

    The bare bones of the plot follow the 1982 film's closely. Unfortunately, it also relies heavily on shock-scares and creature horror, and does what they said they weren't going to do: rely upon special effects in preference to practical effects. Counted 2 slow-motion action scenes that were practically out of an action flick. (they're rather bunched together)

    The climax is kind of absurd.

    The ending (which as anyone who saw the 1982 film knows) ties into the beginning of the next film more or less smoothly, which is to say if one hadn't seen either movie, and then watched them in the order of 2011 followed by 1982, nothing in the opening sequence (or the rest) of the 1982 one will really seem too off. Ultimately (and perhaps unfortunately) that was one of the stated goals of the 2011 film's makers: make everything observed about the norwegians in the 1982 film make sense.

    Noticed one plothole which is only really glaring if someone saw the original. It's perhaps forgivable since the prequel doesn't make a point out of pointing out why it wouldn't make sense. It's kind of self-contained for better or worse.

    3 out of 5 stars. Only reason it's not a 2 or 2.5 or whatever is because it doesn't overtly contradict the 1982 John Carpenter version and whoever wrote or directed it clearly was keeping track of how to not make things inconsistent. Otherwise it's moments of paranoia and suspense are fewer than it's jump-out-and-yell-boo moments.

    If you saw the original, I recommend seeing this one if only to see why it's an inferior movie, and to see some things get explained (there's a few moments where I was worried it was going to over-explain, but it didn't).
    If you haven't seen the original, I'd recommend seeing both for pretty much the same reason.
    Not a *horrible* film but rather disappointing in my opinion. The aforementioned reliance on shocks rather than claustrophobia, paranoia, and "whodunit"-ness, which really made the John Carpenter version great was problematic. There were times when I wasn't entirely sure if this was meant to be a horror film, or a horror themed action film.


    I'll post something more spoiler-y if and when I get some responses

    edit: Oh GOD DAMMIT. I just saw matthias posted a thread about this on the previous page. Stupid search function.
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    MathiasOfAthens said:

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    Your thread looks cooler anyway.
     
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    John I Tzimisces said:

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    I'm still sorry :|

    edit: did you ever see the John Carpenter version?
     
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    MathiasOfAthens said:

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    Yep... best movie I ever saw. Actually I take that back I really liked Red Dawn as well.
     
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    Threads merged.
     
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    John I Tzimisces said:

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    There were a few moments where I felt the 2011 film had a few leaps of logic: For instance, at one point, I asked myself "Why would they reasonably think there's another Thing amongst them?" (I believe this was after Juliette kills the other Geologist guy, and they're burning the bodies.)
    I think up until Juliette is revealed, it was fairly clear the order people were assimilated. After that, not so much. Griggs was probably taken while he was outside getting the booze when the creature escaped, before it kills Henrik. He probably gets Juliette after she runs out of the autopsy being conducted on Henrik and The Thing. Unlike the 1982 movie, I think we're sorta left completely without any clues as to by whom and when Edvard was taken. I might have to watch it again.
    Since The Thing only reveals itself if A. it's alone with someone or B. it's not alone but suspects it's about to be found out, I assumed when he checked up on Lars and Kate he had either just been assimilated or was about to be (either intending to catch one of the pair alone, or, being alone was about to be cornered himself).
    Carter and Derek's escape from the crash was rather unbelievable.
    The plothole I mentioned earlier, in light of the first movie, was Carter's assimilation on board the ship. Even without the earring cue on board the snowcat (which is completely obvious even before they arrive, hello camera focusing sharply on the side of Carter's head with the earring) it's pretty clear exactly when he's gotten. However, something that's emphasized in the first movie is the importance of clothing, to the point where even the Thing is aware of the importance of clothing: assimilating someone rips up their cloths. I kept on looking for inconsistencies in wardrobe as this can be used with some reliability in the Carpenter version, but because we're very aware of the passage of time people changing and getting dressed isn't unreasonable. But, in this case where Sander is already probably in Thing-mode, given the slithering noise we hear, Carter looks no worse for wear.

    The dog had me a little confused too. I get that their (apparently only) dog was killed very early, probably around the time Griggs was, but...why does the Dog-Thing only make an appearance at the very end? Was there a piece of the Thing that we don't see that changed into it?
     
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    I was left wondering how some of the people were taken... that I think was a fail on part of the directors. Although I think they wanted that left to the unknown so those who turned were not known until the characters knew. Like on the Plane. I thought it was the sick guy.

    I couldnt figure out when Carter got assimilated. You say it is obvious? When was it?
     
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    John I Tzimisces said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    I was left wondering how some of the people were taken... that I think was a fail on part of the directors. Although I think they wanted that left to the unknown so those who turned were not known until the characters knew. Like on the Plane. I thought it was the sick guy.

    I couldnt figure out when Carter got assimilated. You say it is obvious? When was it?
    Well, even in the first one there's clues to who gets assimilated when, but it's difficult to be absolutely certain.

    So, spoiler tags now for anyone who happens upon this thread since I'm going to try and list all the good bits.

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    Griggs I assume was assimilated at the same time the dog was killed/assimilated: After the Frozen Thing escapes outside. Juliette is assimilated by Griggs while she's presumably alone in the bathroom taking a shower or crying about Henrik or something. Jonas is assimilated when it's revealed Edvard is a Thing (and promptly flamethrowered). Adam becomes splitface with Edvard. Sander is gotten by splitface. Carter is assimilated after he and Kate are separated on the ship (after she falls through the slats and he goes down into the craft): at one point you see him walking down a hallway, and after hearing something slither behind him he turns around and starts cautiously approaching the camera (then we cut back to Kate).

    So we're basically only really left with two questions: First, who assimilated Edvard (if you can't remember who that is, he's the guy who gets knocked back by the explosion, and then his arms turn into centipede things) and when? Second, where did the Dog-Thing come from? Was the body just left in the corner in a bloody heap? Was it assimilated, knowing it had been seen, and then just hid the whole time?


    In the 1982 film it's much more difficult to determine the order asides from some of the fairly obvious ones. The dog probably got Norris during the first night it was in the base, just wandering about with no one watching it (we see it walk into a room, and then see a silhouette on the wall resembling Norris's head turn to see it). Bennings is seen by Windows being assimilated by the presumed dead remains found at the Norwegian base.

    The tricky part is trying to figure out who got Palmer and Blair, and when, and lastly, the question of whether or not Childs is a Thing.

    Was Blair assimilated by something as seemingly innocuous as poking the Norwegian-Thing with his pen, and then putting the tip of it in his mouth? Did Bennings-Thing do anything with the keys Windows audibly drops in the storage room when he walks in on the assimilation?

    And so on and so forth. Lots more thinking involved.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by John I Tzimisces View Post
    Well, even in the first one there's clues to who gets assimilated when, but it's difficult to be absolutely certain.

    So, spoiler tags now for anyone who happens upon this thread since I'm going to try and list all the good bits.

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    Griggs I assume was assimilated at the same time the dog was killed/assimilated: After the Frozen Thing escapes outside. Juliette is assimilated by Griggs while she's presumably alone in the bathroom taking a shower or crying about Henrik or something. Jonas is assimilated when it's revealed Edvard is a Thing (and promptly flamethrowered). Adam becomes splitface with Edvard. Sander is gotten by splitface. Carter is assimilated after he and Kate are separated on the ship (after she falls through the slats and he goes down into the craft): at one point you see him walking down a hallway, and after hearing something slither behind him he turns around and starts cautiously approaching the camera (then we cut back to Kate).

    So we're basically only really left with two questions: First, who assimilated Edvard (if you can't remember who that is, he's the guy who gets knocked back by the explosion, and then his arms turn into centipede things) and when? Second, where did the Dog-Thing come from? Was the body just left in the corner in a bloody heap? Was it assimilated, knowing it had been seen, and then just hid the whole time?


    In the 1982 film it's much more difficult to determine the order asides from some of the fairly obvious ones. The dog probably got Norris during the first night it was in the base, just wandering about with no one watching it (we see it walk into a room, and then see a silhouette on the wall resembling Norris's head turn to see it). Bennings is seen by Windows being assimilated by the presumed dead remains found at the Norwegian base.

    The tricky part is trying to figure out who got Palmer and Blair, and when, and lastly, the question of whether or not Childs is a Thing.

    Was Blair assimilated by something as seemingly innocuous as poking the Norwegian-Thing with his pen, and then putting the tip of it in his mouth? Did Bennings-Thing do anything with the keys Windows audibly drops in the storage room when he walks in on the assimilation?

    And so on and so forth. Lots more thinking involved.
    I'm a member of a very good forum that discusses these things (pun-intended) in detail at outpost31.com.

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    After intense discussion, regarding the original, there's no doubt in my mind that Palmer was the first human to be assimilated at the American camp. The room that the dog enters was Palmer's bunk room that he shared with another crewman, but I don't remember which. The slim figured shadow on the wall also matches Palmer better than the heavy-set Norris. There are several scenes later on in which Palmer is actually missing from the group. I think when they are gathered around outside burning corpses, about two or three of them are not there, but I don't remember exactly who.

    Norris was assimilated much later, though it is significantly debated whether Norris was quickly and violently assimilated or if he had gotten a small infection and was slowly overtaken, causing his heart to collapse and the infamous Norris flip-out with the defibrillator. (Fuchs suggests that everyone start eating out of cans because of the possibility of infection via ingestion) We remember when Gary offered leaving Norris in command, after he nearly shot Windows for flipping out, and he says very soft-spokenly, "I'm sorry fellas, I'm just not up to it." If he was an imitation at this point, this is characteristic of the Thing not wanting attention put on himself and preferring to be in the side-lines. What pissed me off about the prequel was that the Thing did not do this, it simply attacked everytime it had an opportunity without thinking about how many people were near it. The helicopter Thing-out sequence was incredibly ridiculous because of this reason. It would never try to assimilate all of the people at once and sabotage its free-ride straight to a more populated area. The Thing in the '82 version was not like this at all, it preferred working at a very slow pace and always deflected attention from itself by acting normally even sometimes in intimate scenarios to achieve its goals.

    The thing we should remember is that the Thing had ample opportunity to take over Clark the dog handler, Windows alone on the radio, and Mac who lived outside in his own shack. But it didn't. It took the most low-key people who access to knowledge of the surrounding area. Palmer was a mechanic training to be a pilot and Norris was the geologist. Blair of course, completely snapped, when he discovered the extremely high likelihood that the organism he was studying had already infected a member of the crew, maybe even himself and what it was capable of if it reached a more populated continent. (The prequel makes only little mention of this possibility really) Blair presented a significant threat to the Thing because he had the absolute best intuition of the crew and had the scientific knowledge of organisms to understand what it was capable of doing. (Kate really didn't in the prequel and yet figured it all over the course of a day, where it took Blair days to figure out what was going on)

    It is unknown exactly when Blair was infected, most think that he was infected when he was isolated in the shed, but some think it was actually prior to this.

    Regardless, when Windows the radio man, happened upon Bennings the meteorologist in mid-assimilation from the Split-Face, he panicked and dropped the keys that Copper and Gary owned. These keys were picked up by Blair, who was a Thing by this point, and sabotaged the blood supply shortly after Copper suggested making a blood-serum test. Everyone else was accounted for.

    Fuchs' death (Doc Copper and Blair's assistant) was not suicide as he did not have access to flammable material to set himself on fire. Not unless someone discovered his corpse before Mac did and set fire to it. Fuch's most likely cause of death was murder by another human and burned. A thing would have no reason to simply kill a human without assimilation when alone. Fuchs was freaking out when he glimpsed someone pass by after the power got shut off. The person he likely saw was probably Norris or Blair. Shortly thereafter, he runs outside and discovers MacReady's shredded clothing, insinuating that Mac had been assimilated. He probably freaked out and tried to find someone, only to be shot and burned because he startled them. The lights were out for over an hour (according to Mac) and everyone was split up at the time. It could have been anyone.

    The question of Childs' or MacReady's humanity is the most contentious one by far and it is 100% subject to one's own interpretation. I don't see any reason to believe that Childs is human when he 'gets lost in the storm' looking for Blair. Shortly after Childs wanders off, the power goes out yet again and the generator is completely destroyed. (When Mac and Gary go to the generator room, Gary laments, "It's GONE MacReady") Also, by this sequence quite some time has actually passed since the blood test scene. Mac could very likely have been assimilated at any point in the final sequence of the film. I have reason to believe that some Thing imitations will sacrifice another for their own benefit, like Palmer-Thing did with Norris' head, when he sabotaged its escape. "You gotta be in' kidding!" So the idea that a MacReady imitation would kill the massive Blair/Gary/Nauls/Dog creature it morphs into is not entirely unplausible. I like to imagine that the final dialogue at the end of the film is actually two things talking to each other talking about what they should do next. Creepy and eerie.


    God I love the '82 film. By far my favorite 'who-dunnit' mystery or horror film really.
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