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    Default New Latin American body backs up Argentina in Falklands Dispute, slams US for Cuba Sanctions

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    CARACAS (Reuters) - A new Latin American and Caribbean organization backed Argentina's claim to sovereignty over the British-ruled Falkland Islands and slammed U.S. sanctions on Cuba at Saturday's end of a two-day summit.
    But the 33-member Community of Latin American and Caribbean States, or CELAC, drew short of any more overt anti-Western rhetoric as some had feared at a meeting hosted by the avowedly "anti-imperialist" Venezuelan leader, Hugo Chavez.
    Rather, its 22 final declarations ranged wordily but mildly over the need to combat global ills like price speculation, drugs, terrorism, nuclear arms and cruelty to migrants.
    "I don't think we're exaggerating if we call it a historic day," said Chavez, 57, for whom the summit achieved two aims: setting up a regional body without the United States, and allowing him to showcase his recovery from cancer treatment.
    "United in our differences, we must demand respect," Chavez told the assembly. "No more interference, we've had enough."
    Chavez and other left-wing leaders like Raul Castro of Cuba, Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua, Evo Morales of Bolivia and Rafael Correa of Ecuador say the hemisphere-wide Organization of American States is too eager to please Washington.
    But conservative-led nations like Colombia, Chile and Mexico have clearly ensured the CELAC does not become a mouthpiece for them, with the final declarations relatively mild and next year's meeting set for Santiago, Chile.
    Although they will raise eyebrows in Washington and London, the communiques over the Falklands - or Malvinas islands as they are known in Argentina - and the U.S. embargo on Cuba were fairly standard positions around the region.
    The final declaration backed Argentina's "legitimate rights" and urged Britain to resume negotiations.
    "The Argentine government has shown a permanently constructive attitude and willingness to reach, via negotiations, a peaceful and definitive solution to this anachronistic, colonial situation on American soil."
    Almost 30 years after the countries fought a 10-week war over the South Atlantic islands, the archipelago remains an emotional national symbol for many in Argentina.
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    On Cuba, CELAC, whose countries have nearly 600 million people and annual gross domestic product of about $6 trillion, urged Washington to respect U.N. votes and lift trade sanctions in place for decades against the communist government.
    Chavez, who had cancer surgery in June, relished his biggest moment on the international stage since then. He presided over lengthy sessions and speeches, frequently intervening to add his own anecdotes and opinions.
    But he looked noticeably more tired on the second day.
    He plans to run for re-election in 2012, and his opponents used the summit to mount some protests in an attempt to embarrass him in front of his Latin American counterparts.
    Activists beat pots and pans around the city on Saturday night in a traditional "cacerolazo" demonstration. Some banners were also briefly unfurled over roads saying "Welcome to Crime City" - before police removed them.
    "You should not ignore that your host, Commander Hugo Chavez Frias runs a government that systematically violates the democratic principles that most of you promote and represent in your respective countries," opposition presidential aspirant Pablo Medina said in an open letter.
    Supporters from Venezuelan slum-dwellers to foreign left-wing intellectuals say Chavez has done what no other president here has even attempted - put the OPEC nation's vast oil wealth at the service of the poor.
    Critics counter that he has squandered Venezuela's wealth, notably by giving cheap oil to allies like Cuba, and has also behaved like a dictator in packing courts and other institutions with supporters, and harassing opponents.
    Chavez's health is the great unknown in the October 7, 2012 election, when the opposition believes it has the best chance of unseating him since he took power in 1999.
    Chavez says he is cured after four chemotherapy sessions, though cancer specialists say it is too early to make such a call. Privately, some government officials admit there is great concern about the secrecy surrounding his health.
    (Additional reporting by Eyanir Chinea, Deisy Buitrago, Mario Naranjo, Enrique Pretel, Diego Ore, Girish Gupta; editing by Todd Eastham)
    Not surprised really. The summit was hosted by Chaves. I doubt they had anything nice to say at all about the US or Great Brtian.

    Though i do think the current US sanctions against Cuba are stupid and i support Britan in the Falklands dispute.

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    Default Re: New Latin American body backs up Argentina in Falklands Dispute, slams US for Cuba Sanctions

    Lol at people attempting to justify Argentina's imperial ambitions, and lol at America for still being butthurt at Cuba.

    So I guess I agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
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    Not surprised really. The summit was hosted by Chaves. I doubt they had anything nice to say at all about the US or Great Brtian.
    Nothing new there, most Latin American countries are ruled by parties which are part of the Sao Paolo Forum, which is a region wide left-wing political coordination organization, it has been so for decades.

    There is no ideological difference between Brazil, Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, equator or Argentina, just varied levels of application due to local conditions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Though i do think the current US sanctions against Cuba are stupid and i support Britan in the Falklands dispute.
    The Cubans are using the USA sanctions against them as an excuse for their own incompetency, because sure US companies have restrictions working with Cuba, but other countries can do so.

    In fact there are no US warships circling the Island.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post

    The Cubans are using the USA sanctions against them as an excuse for their own incompetency, because sure US companies have restrictions working with Cuba, but other countries can do so.

    In fact there are no US warships circling the Island.
    Actually I believe all, even foreign, companies that have operations in Cuba are punished by the US.

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    my, my, latin america sure is growing assertive this century eh; what with Brazil growing and argentina teching up.

    seems there's a new sheriff in the Western hemisphere, specifically the 'south of the border' part

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    my, my, latin america sure is growing assertive this century eh; what with Brazil growing and argentina teching up.

    seems there's a new sheriff in the Western hemisphere, specifically the 'south of the border' part
    Because China was such a superpower when they were the biggest economy on the face of the globe in the past ... they didn't get their arse handed over
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Because China was such a superpower when they were the biggest economy on the face of the globe in the past ... they didn't get their arse handed over
    and what's that got to do with latin america becoming more assertive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    and what's that got to do with latin america becoming more assertive?
    Latin America is not being more assertive, it is more of the same Lula-Chavez-Castro-FARC noise of ever, more of the same.

    You said that Latin America is going to be the ''new western hemisphere dude'' ... because ''Brazil is growing'', I just pointed that when China was the biggest economy on the globe they still got beaten into submission by the British, so Brasil growing means nothing.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Latin America is not being more assertive, it is more of the same Lula-Chavez-Castro-FARC noise of ever, more of the same.

    You said that Latin America is going to be the ''new western hemisphere dude'' ... because ''Brazil is growing'', I just pointed that when China was the biggest economy on the globe they still got beaten into submission by the British, so Brasil growing means nothing.
    there's a flaw in your analogy, mate; Qing China was an isolationist power and events surrounding the Opium wars and the "century of humiliation" would be more akin to the Columbia Cartel forcing the united states to open their markets to cocaine/crack and forcing the USG to disband the DEA. To make the point more vivid, imagine the same Cartel sailing gunships up the Potomac and besieging Washington.

    Brazil becoming more assertive in the same neighbourhood as the United States may potentially pose a problem for future Americans; thus far, the USG benefited from a policy of 'dividing and conquering' over south america under the aegis of the United Fruit Company and other Economic Hit Men. Why for instance, does Washington get so butthurt over Cuba or Venezuela, far far smaller and insignificant countries and no amount of colour revolutions or CIA ops has ever managed to turn those two nations. THe last attempt against Chaves backfired rather embarassingly for the Bush admin.

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    I think America should let by gones be bygones and lift the sanctions on Cuba.
    I think Argentina should wait till Britain weakens its army a bit more then fight it out.If they lose they should shut up and vice versa.
    Chavez does not speak for latin america either.
    Thats like quoting the Iran leader at a UN meeting and saying all the UN think this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Cruise View Post
    I think America should let by gones be bygones and lift the sanctions on Cuba.
    I think Argentina should wait till Britain weakens its army a bit more then fight it out.If they lose they should shut up and vice versa.
    Chavez does not speak for latin america either.
    Thats like quoting the Iran leader at a UN meeting and saying all the UN think this way.
    I would think that if Argentina again invaded the Falklands and captured them, we'd be unable to take them back until 2030, or 2020 if the Government was sufficiently angered to speed up the Carrier procurement program. It'd probably do the British Armed Forces a lot of good, actually: the Falklands stalled the weakening of the military in this country for a good while, but that has since been forgotten and the process has resumed.

    I would think that this time round, however, the UK wouldn't be so conservative in their response. We might just see Submarines sinking Argentine shipping or missile attacks on Argentine targets on the mainland.

    Though the Falklands is now far more heavily guarded than it was the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poach View Post
    I would think that if Argentina again invaded the Falklands and captured them, we'd be unable to take them back until 2030, or 2020 if the Government was sufficiently angered to speed up the Carrier procurement program. It'd probably do the British Armed Forces a lot of good, actually: the Falklands stalled the weakening of the military in this country for a good while, but that has since been forgotten and the process has resumed.

    I would think that this time round, however, the UK wouldn't be so conservative in their response. We might just see Submarines sinking Argentine shipping or missile attacks on Argentine targets on the mainland.

    Though the Falklands is now far more heavily guarded than it was the first time.
    I think all you would have to do is ask the US for help and they would be back in about a month tops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Cruise View Post
    I think Argentina should wait till Britain weakens its army a bit more then fight it out.If they lose they should shut up and vice versa.

    It already happened in 1982

    Besides, the Argentine government is perfectly happy to use the Falklands as something to distract their population whenever they up or times get tough. With the Falklands in Argentine hands they wouldn't be able to distract their population any more with Nationalist Imperialist sentiment.
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    You saying like its a bad thing...lolololol

    Also Suriname has Bouterse at it again. Wonder why those people are on a hunch for non fascist leadership...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    You saying like its [The Dominance of the left in South America] a bad thing...lolololol
    Well at least lets be honest about it, instead of the dumb hysteria of the USA ''owning'' it when in fact it is mostly a place where left-leaning anti-american parties reign supreme.
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    Default Re: New Latin American body backs up Argentina in Falklands Dispute, slams US for Cuba Sanctions

    Not really a surprise there, a rather pointless new organisation supports its own members interests, as ridiculous as Argentina's claim over the Falklands is. The ongoing sanctions on Cuba have become thoroughly stupid, but if they were lifted they would still find something to attack the US with.

    Anyone really see the point in Chavez forming this Latin American organisation? Countries can join whatever they like, but there's already the OAS they are all part of - seems to be solely a platform to say "Down with the West!".

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    Argentina, pfffft. Did you know they tried not once, but TWICE, to send a monkey into space and failed both times!?!? That country is a freaking joke! The new slogan for them should be:

    "Argentina, you can trust them as far as you can throw them; but you can't trust them as far as they can launch a monkey on a rocket."

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandbll View Post
    Argentina, pfffft. Did you know they tried not once, but TWICE, to send a monkey into space and failed both times!?!? That country is a freaking joke! The new slogan for them should be:

    "Argentina, you can trust them as far as you can throw them; but you can't trust them as far as they can launch a monkey on a rocket."
    WTF are you talking about? Failed 2 times? LOL! Pirate Lie!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Poach View Post
    I would think that if Argentina again invaded the Falklands and captured them, we'd be unable to take them back until 2030, or 2020 if the Government was sufficiently angered to speed up the Carrier procurement program. It'd probably do the British Armed Forces a lot of good, actually: the Falklands stalled the weakening of the military in this country for a good while, but that has since been forgotten and the process has resumed.

    LOL! English people Stop thinking about war! Never again war will exist between these countries. I hope so. English Are concerned about that they are selling the whole army. Arg is weak and poor for go to war. Our government is communist-antimilitary and represents the human rights.

    - There is something that everyone forgets. The islands were arg wen become independent. The invaders were the English in 1833. In 1982 an army of civilians with old weapons. Obsolete equipment without training, without food or coats made a good figth against one of the best armies in the world, the Royal Navy was humiliated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choki View Post
    WTF are you talking about? Failed 2 times? LOL! Pirate Lie!!!
    LOL! English people Stop thinking about war! Never again war will exist between these countries. I hope so. English Are concerned about that they are selling the whole army. Arg is weak and poor for go to war. Our government is communist-antimilitary and represents the human rights.

    - There is something that everyone forgets. The islands were arg wen become independent. The invaders were the English in 1833. In 1982 an army of civilians with old weapons. Obsolete equipment without training, without food or coats made a good figth against one of the best armies in the world, the Royal Navy was humiliated...
    in 1982, the British beat the Argentinians.....the Royal Navy wasn't humiliated and the Argentinians had much more than old weapons.

    Never mind the Falknders today still would rather be apart of the UK than Argentinia.

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    Let me be as polemic and correct you: ownership changed, the latin-american people own it now, despite the best efforts of the northern brother in the 80's to turn it into a profitable cesspit with no point of return.

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