[OSP] [WIP Release 0.8.5] New Units for Gondor REBORN work thread (1st post image heavy)

[Delta_02_Cat]

Great work! I can't wait to see your reworked Swan Knights, I have to admit that the vanilla TATW Swan Knights are boring.

[KnightsTemplar]

Seems the Tower Guard is getting a sword version still!
I presume they will have armour upgrade?

[Taro_M]

What? They didnt have it before, nor they have it now.

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Osgiliath Veterans

Osgiliath Veterans ingame Stats: type gondor osgiliath veterans dictionary gondor_osgiliath_veterans ; gondor osgiliath veterans category infantry ; Quality class missile voice_type Heavy banner faction main_missile banner holy crusade soldier gondor_osgiliath_veterans, 60, 0, 1.2 officer gondor_captain_early_flag officer gondor_captain_early_flag mount_effect elephant +3 attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, can_withdraw, cannot_skirmish, stakes, stakes, free_upkeep_unit formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 4, square stat_health 1, 3 stat_pri 8, 3, arrow, 180, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1 stat_pri_attr no stat_sec 9, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1 stat_sec_attr no stat_pri_armour 7, 6, 6, metal stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 3 stat_ground 0, -1, 0, -2 stat_mental 13, disciplined, untrained, lock_morale stat_charge_dist 15 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 660, 260, 95, 95, 660, 3, 150 armour_ug_levels 3, 4 armour_ug_models gondor_osgiliath_veterans, gondor_osgiliath_veterans_ug1 ownership sicily era 0 sicily era 1 sicily era 2 sicily recruit_priority_offset 10 Description: For years, Osgilliath has been one of the main battlefields in the war between Gondor and Mordor. However, through the efforts of Gondor's men-at-arms, the city has been held. Adapting to combat in the harsh conditions of Osgilliath is a difficult task, and the cost to both sides has been terrible. Still, those Gondorians who survive the ordeals of Osgilliath are prepared for harsh conditions. Throughout their trials, the soldiers who fight in Osgilliath have learned to fight using multiple methods. They are equipped with bows, but unlike most other archers, they are also very capable melee fighters. Furthermore, Osgilliath Veterans have already seen the very worst Mordor has to offer. They will not even flinch in the face of near suicidal odds, because their lives have been an almost constant cycle of battles against innumerable enemies. While the skills of these men are incredible, it should be noted that they are not invincible, and that they are few in number. The loss of them can be just as catastrophic as constantly holding them in reserve. Without sacrifice, there can be no victory: such is the nature of the conflict these men have become used to. Experienced swordsmen and archers from Osgiliath.

Osgiliath Veterans (clean version)

Osgiliath Veterans (clean version) ingame Stats: type gondor osgiliath veterans clean dictionary gondor_osgiliath_veterans_clean ; gondor osgiliath veterans (clean version) category infantry ; Quality class missile voice_type Heavy banner faction main_missile banner holy crusade soldier gondor_osgiliath_veterans, 60, 0, 1.2 officer gondor_captain_early_flag officer gondor_captain_early_flag mount_effect elephant +3 attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, can_withdraw, cannot_skirmish, stakes, stakes, free_upkeep_unit formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square stat_health 1, 3 stat_pri 8, 3, arrow, 180, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1 stat_pri_attr no stat_sec 10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1 stat_sec_attr no stat_pri_armour 9, 6, 6, metal stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 3 stat_ground 0, -1, 0, -2 stat_mental 14, disciplined, highly_trained, lock_morale stat_charge_dist 15 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 750, 310, 100, 100, 750, 2, 150 armour_ug_levels 4 armour_ug_models gondor_osgiliath_veterans_clean ownership sicily era 0 sicily era 1 sicily era 2 sicily recruit_priority_offset 10 Description: For years, Osgilliath has been one of the main battlefields in the war between Gondor and Mordor. However, through the efforts of Gondor's men-at-arms, the city has been held. Adapting to combat in the harsh conditions of Osgilliath is a difficult task, and the cost to both sides has been terrible. Still, those Gondorians who survive the ordeals of Osgilliath are prepared for harsh conditions. Throughout their trials, the soldiers who fight in Osgilliath have learned to fight using multiple methods. They are equipped with bows, but unlike most other archers, they are also very capable melee fighters. Furthermore, Osgilliath Veterans have already seen the very worst Mordor has to offer. They will not even flinch in the face of near suicidal odds, because their lives have been an almost constant cycle of battles against innumerable enemies. While the skills of these men are incredible, it should be noted that they are not invincible, and that they are few in number. The loss of them can be just as catastrophic as constantly holding them in reserve. Without sacrifice, there can be no victory: such is the nature of the conflict these men have become used to. Experienced swordsmen and archers from Osgiliath.

Minas Ithil Guardians

Minas Ithil Guardians ingame Stats: type gondor minas ithil guardians dictionary gondor_minas_ithil_guardians ; gondor minas ithil guardians category infantry class spearmen voice_type Heavy banner faction main_spear banner holy crusade soldier gondor_minas_ithil_guardians, 60, 0, 1.8 officer gondor_captain_early_flag officer gondor_captain_early_flag attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square, shield_wall stat_health 1, 3 stat_pri 9, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, spear, 0, 1 stat_pri_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_4 stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1 stat_sec_attr no stat_pri_armour 10, 4, 8, metal stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 6 stat_ground 0, -2, 0, -2 stat_mental 18, disciplined, highly_trained stat_charge_dist 15 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 850, 340, 120, 120, 850, 1, 250 armour_ug_levels 4 armour_ug_models gondor_minas_ithil_guardians ownership sicily era 0 sicily era 1 sicily era 2 sicily recruit_priority_offset 15 Description: Losing Minas Ithil to the hordes of Mordor was always a dark moment in Gondorian history, so its understandable that lords of Gondor see the capture of Minas Morgul as a matter of great importance. This was not only as tactical goal, that would stop foul creatures of Mordor from pouring into the woods of Ithilien, but also as a matter of honor. It may seem odd that the smiths of Gondor are always ready to forge new armor in case Minas Ithil is recaptured, but in a way formation of the Minas Ithil Guardians is a tribute to last defenders of Tower of the Moon and their heroic stand against dark forces. Thus the new guardians of the fortress are recruited from the most able men, equipped with heavy armor, large shields and pole arms. Such equipment allows them to effectively fight in defense even against overwhelming odds. Heavily armored guardians of Tower of the Moon.

[Benox]

as you increased the defense and attack stats of osgiliath veterans I would also increase their cost and upkeep (19 for clean version has even more defense than Fountain guards which cost 920)

[Taro_M]

I forgot to tell you this, but I dd some small changes to your balancing, but nothing groundbreaking.

Fountain guard has 11 armor and 7 defense skill, but remember that they dont have shields while veterans do.

BTW: I still didnt get stuff from brymht , Im afraid that you may do the rest of the units, sorry about that. However you balancing is immense help for me.

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Winged Swordsmen

Winged Swordsmen ingame Stats: type gondor winged swordsmen dictionary gondor_winged_swordsmen ; Axemen of Lossarnach category infantry class heavy voice_type Heavy banner faction main_infantry banner holy crusade soldier gondor_winged_swordsmen, 60, 0, 1.3 officer gondor_captain_early_flag officer gondor_captain_early_flag mount_effect horse +1, camel +1, elephant +2 attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit formation 1.3, 1.3, 2.6, 2.6, 4, square stat_health 1, 3 stat_pri 12, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, sword, 0, 1 stat_pri_attr ap stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1 stat_sec_attr no stat_pri_armour 9, 5, 0, metal stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 2 stat_ground 0, -1, 0, -2 stat_mental 16, disciplined, highly_trained stat_charge_dist 15 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 780, 320, 100, 100, 780, 2, 250 armour_ug_levels 4 armour_ug_models gondor_winged_swordsmen ownership sicily era 0 sicily era 1 sicily era 2 sicily recruit_priority_offset 5 Description: The Guards of the Winged Sword, or Winged Swordsmen as they commonly called, are some of the most powerful shock troops Gondor can field. Armed with great swords similar to those wielded by their Numnenorian ancestors, Winged Swordsmen can cut huge swaythes through an enemy's battleline. Though they are heavily armed and armored, they still maintain a suprising degree of agility due to their intesnse training. Their richly decorated armors act as statements of their high social status. Elite, heavly armored warriors with two handed swords.

[Hospitallers Kane]

what about the local units pinnath gelin ect

[Taro_M]

I just put list in first post, check it out.

[Benox]

I forgot to tell you this, but I dd some small changes to your balancing, but nothing groundbreaking.

Fountain guard has 11 armor and 7 defense skill, but remember that they dont have shields while veterans do.

BTW: I still didnt get stuff from brymht , Im afraid that you may do the rest of the units, sorry about that. However you balancing is immense help for me.

No problem, just send me a pm with the units and a brief description like the first pm you send me and i'll do it as soon as i can

[Jakethe_Snake15]

Those Winged Swordsmen look even better than the ones in your previous mod!

And the Minas Ithil Guardians look amazing...

[Taro_M]

Uh, guys I just realized that I dont have description for Gondor Pikemen, could someone give me a hand? Im horrible at writing stuff.

[joshko]

Uh, guys I just realized that I dont have description for Gondor Pikemen, could someone give me a hand? Im horrible at writing stuff.

Gondor pikemen...mostly known for their superb use of pikes though it has been said they are deadly at fisticuffs when combat is too close of a pike.

[Bucle_CT]

Splendid work Taro!!

Btw, do you have plans to release a version compatible with Baron Samedi's Compilation??? (I think this would be great, since most of TATW submods lovers use it)

[Dutch-Balrog]

He wont release it as a submod.

[Keyser_Soze]

Uh, guys I just realized that I dont have description for Gondor Pikemen, could someone give me a hand? Im horrible at writing stuff.

"While Gondor is most renowned for its valiant swordsmen, if its long history of war with its neighbours has taught it one thing, it is to keep a diverse military. It is out of this sentiment that these pikemen developed. Designed to keep hordes of enemies at bay with a range superior to those of spears, these pikemen are directly designed for war with the innumerable host of mordor. As a result, the Gondor pikemen have become a prominent line of defence against the eye of Sauron. If a Gondor pikeman proves himself, he is often promoted to serve in the fountain guard, protecting the White city itself"

How is that?

[Taro_M]

Hmm... I cant say I like it, I will try to come up with soemthing myself.

[Bucle_CT]

He wont release it as a submod.

Sorry, maybe I'm missing something here, isn't this a submod for TATW ?

What I did before was to ask for a version of this submod that could be compatible with other concrete submod , which is used by most TATW submods users.

[KnightsTemplar]

Originally Taro didn't plan to make a standalone submod- the balance part is tedious.
To quote somebody else: 'You cant ing satisify everyone'.
Fortunately good peoples are around and they got it covered- Benox!
Hopefully the submod would come out soon.

The merging part:
It's easy- everyone could make that once it's released.
Throwing all the UIs in still, and copy&paste the EDU, EDB, modelsdb and text...
Done.
Extra fun for changing descr_strat.

(The EDB part is the hardest part IMO. It's worse than EDU where you can just strap everything together-
It's a program code and Baron got some other scripts- namely Total Recruit which takes something more in balance.)

[Taro_M]

Ive got small surprise for you guys: TNZ kindly made a script that will make use of both version of my Osgiliath Veterans . He also agreed to lend a hand implementing it once I wll start working on standalone mod.

BTW: I suck at balancing and adding units to EDB is tedious and its easy to make mistakes. That is why I would prefer to leave this to my mindless slaves kind and helpful souls .

[Benox]

i can give a try at EDB, also I'll soon have plenty of free time so i have no problem with that

[Roman4life]

I WANT IT!!!!!