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    Who is the AntiChrist and what is so bad about him.
    AntiChrist or instead of Christ, can anyone explain who or what he is from an objective point of view.

    The third Antichrist
    To achieve the tremendous impact the first two antichrists have had (if we accept that they where Hitler and Napoleon), a number of circumstances needed to be accomplished. Firstly the antichrists represented world powers and were able to motivate and inspire a large number of followers. Both Hitler and Napoleon were leaders of the most powerful nations at their time. They had the will and the means to achieve their goals no matter the cost and the consequences. They were able to sell their ideas to their followers and convince whole nations to participate in their plans.

    The political and economic circumstances needed firm and resolute actions. The antichrists brought hope and strength. It was the objection by other nations that finally set off the slaughter between mankind. The cost and the consequences were large-scale death, destruction and suffering for France, Europe and the world in general.

    It seems logical that the third antichrist will fit in, in that same way. Most likely he will become the leader of a most powerful nation at a certain moment in time. A man with the will, drive and means to achieve his goals no matter the consequences. This leader will be loved by its own people and will lead them to believe that they deserve more and better. Under his leadership his own country will flourish and expand.

    In the first stages, this third antichrist will point out external enemies to give strength to his strategies. He will strive for a strong military and a firm control over his nation and people, their opinions and actions. The antichrist and his close followers have the uncanny ability to manipulate and convince people of the right of their actions and their methods. Under other circumstances these methods would be unnecessary, unacceptable, wrong or illegal.

    In order to expand his power, established international agreements get canceled or changed. Rules that apply to all nations will not be allowed to apply to him or his people.

    The antichrist will follow a strategy of expansion: nations will be manipulated, countries invaded and control of natural resources reallocated in order to improve the quality of life of his own people and to ensure their safety and future development. The consequences of the growth and success of this one nation will negatively affect other countries. Initially the politics followed, will cause international unrest, discussion, frustration, doubts, unbelief etcetera but no actions.

    Since the third antichrist is likely to be the leader of a technically and economically very advanced nation he will have access to advanced powerfull sciences, technology and weapons. This dominating position will further facilitate manipulating other countries to join or to commend his actions. His main aim will be to remove the impact any consequences that his expansive actions might entail for him, his followers and his nation by focussing and further developing military defence systems and building up a strong secret service.

    The attack-weapons of choice will be those that have little or no consequences for the attacker, preferably not even revealing who is using them.
    Today’s weapons of mass destruction do not qualify as the attacker can be identified and using these weapons will give its nation a bad image in the global public opinion. However, tomorrows technology promisses to deliver weapons of mass destruction that work selective, secretive, effective and efficient and possibly resemble natural disasters. Some of these weapons will be able to create artificial tsunamis, earthquakes, monsoons or even meteorites without revealing it's cause or origin. Such weapons would allow for the ultimate pre-emptive strike as it would not have consequences or costs for the attacker. Lacking negative consequences, the nation of the antichrist is likely to become totalitarian.

    The stronger and more influential the nation of the antichrist, the longer it takes for other countries to take defensive measurements. When countries finally stand up and join together against this power it will be the beginning of large-scale destruction and the era of "trials and tribulations" will begin.
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    Q:" The AntiChrist, what is he! "

    A: A figment of your imagination

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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA
    Q:" The AntiChrist, what is he! "

    A: A figment of your imagination
    Ha Ha very funny. If youve got some valuable info come back.
    I wanna know what could be so bad about him, im not saying that he excist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac89
    Ha Ha very funny. If youve got some valuable info come back.
    I wanna know what could be so bad about him, im not saying that he excist.

    That is valuble info, I'm saying dont put so much stock in mythology and tall tales, what good can come of grown men believing in fairy tales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA
    That is valuble info, I'm saying dont put so much stock in mythology and tall tales, what good can come of grown men believing in fairy tales?
    Who says they are fairytales, generaly nostradamus´ predictions come true, and who says im a grown man.
    And if i were why shouldnt i be allowed to believe in fairytales

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac89
    Who says they are fairytales, generaly nostradamus´ predictions come true, and who says im a grown man.
    And if i were why shouldnt i be allowed to believe in fairytales

    Nostradamus' predictions come true only to those of us who look backwards and fit in pieces of history to make sense of them, sure retrospect is 20/20, if it were a real prophecy it would foretell events in the future, not only make sense 400 years in the future when people pick and choose what fits and move around words, change total meanings just to suit history, and try to convice people that nostradamus was right.

    Grown people shouldnt put so much stock in fairy tales because theyre not children anymore, its okay when youre young and ignorant to explain things away with fantastically unbelivable stories, but as you grow up you should realize that religion doesnt do a very good job of explaining the common world. (AKA the real world)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac89
    Ha Ha very funny. If youve got some valuable info come back.
    I wanna know what could be so bad about him, im not saying that he excist.
    What's bad about him from both the economical view is that in the begining, he is said to have all the answers to all out problems. But as time wears on, he will make many changes, and the world will be in a bad state. Only people with his number, the infamous 666, will be able to sell and buy on the market, and he will plunge the world into war.

    From the religious view, he will be possed by Satan and he will want all people to worship him, so basicly making everyone a Satanist. Those who do not accept him as god will not be able to buy or sell on the market, and will not recieve the number.

    Those are pretty self explanitory reasons.
    Quote Originally Posted by nadjib
    In Islam, antichrist (called Massih Dajal) comes in the end of time, pretends that he's GOD (by accomplishing miracles), then the christ (pbuh) comes from the heaven and fights with him and kill him. Then there will be peace in the world...
    You're Suni right? I'm a Shia, so our prophecy is a little different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterAdnin
    You're Suni right? I'm a Shia, so our prophecy is a little different.
    Peace,
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    Yeah bro I'm sunni what do u say about Dajal in shia madhab? I don't know ?

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    I rember seeing something on the national geographic channel(i think) that basicly said that the antiChrist was the roman empore nero. Because in greek every letter has a number attached to it and nero's greek name had the number of 666. the 7 heads of the beast is a metaphor for the 7 hills of rome. It makes since if you understand the contex bible was written in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nadjib
    Yeah bro I'm sunni what do u say about Dajal in shia madhab? I don't know ?

    Peace
    Ours is basicly the same thing. The only difference is that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), his cousin, Ali(PBUH). Ali's(PBUH) great grandson named Mehdi(AS), will destroy the Jahl with the help of Hasarat Isa(PBUH), or in other words, Jesus.

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    Depends on your point of view really. If you're a Christian, by definition the 'Anti-Christ' (whoever he might be, if he be at all) is a pretty bad guy. But if you're one of his friends, he probably seems quite nice really!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith Darksea
    Depends on your point of view really. If you're a Christian, by definition the 'Anti-Christ' (whoever he might be, if he be at all) is a pretty bad guy. But if you're one of his friends, he probably seems quite nice really!
    Yeah what could be so bad about him, i wouldnt care if he ruled the world and abolished all religion, cause religion only causes war in my opinion.

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    Well according to www.raptureready.com , chances are he'll be from the EU and likely a homosexual too.

    So that's me in the running then. And... PETER MANDELSON??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Kal
    Well according to www.raptureready.com , chances are he'll be from the EU and likely a homosexual too.

    So that's me in the running then. And... PETER MANDELSON??
    Why does Mandelson sound so likely for the Antichrist?

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    It was more of a joke than anything. He's homosexual, and high up in the EU.

    Cardinal Giacomo Biffi said it would be a human rights and environmental activist.

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    Napolean was not an anti christ, its as simple as that
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKB
    Napolean was not an anti christ, its as simple as that
    Antichrist doesnt mean against Christ but instead of christ, so why not

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    Napoleon was 'an' antichrist?

    Are we sure that isn't taken from some English propaganda piece written during that time?

    I will certainly agree that Hitler and his gang seemed to have been inspired by a special kind of evil, but Napoleon just seems to me like your run-of-the-mill megalomaniac, bent on taking over Europe, Russia, and Egypt...

    Then again, that type of behavior certainly could be said to go against the teachings of good old J.C.


    Mac89:

    I've read a bit of the pages you linked to, but none of them seem to reference any original Nostradamus, just lists of plain-english (what I assume is) translations of various texts regarding the anti-christ.

    I don't want to sound overly pessimistic, but Nostradamus is nothing if not ambiguous and, by not having the original texts to compare these against, it doesn't lead me to believe that this is anything other than the author's imagination.

    I marvel at the fixation many have with the 'end times', and the fully developed industry that supports it. Raptureready.com, the 'left behind' series, etc. Maybe it's just a product of our troubled times, but I have a feeling everyone thinks of their times as troubled.
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    The Antichrist is the Devils mockery of Christ. A human with tremendous evil inside, just as Jesus had tremendous good.

    The Antichrist will seem good at first, bringing peace to a chaotic world, or so it seems until all hell breaks loose in the most literal form. Then the second coming of Jesus occurs, fighting happens. Judgement Day. World Ends.

    That is my view of the book of revelation. I don't litterally believe in the seven headed beast but believe that is a metaphor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    The Antichrist is the Devils mockery of Christ. A human with tremendous evil inside, just as Jesus had tremendous good.

    The Antichrist will seem good at first, bringing peace to a chaotic world, or so it seems until all hell breaks loose in the most literal form. Then the second coming of Jesus occurs, fighting happens. Judgement Day. World Ends.

    That is my view of the book of revelation. I don't litterally believe in the seven headed beast but believe that is a metaphor
    I wonder if the concept of the "AntiChrist" was just a creation of the Church for the purpose of gathering more followers and/or preventing people from leaving the Christian faith. A rather convinient idea of universally rejecting every other faith.

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