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    Default Re: German auction disaster, no offers for 35 percent of the 10-year bonds offered for sale yesterday

    funny that france is still advertisinf elite bonds despite a german "no"
    they (the eu) still fail to act in unity it seems.. oh well

    anyways here are the time bombs:
    thats when new money has to be borrowed to likely very high rates:
    jan france
    feb italy

    so a solution needs to be found before febuary i guess..

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...800618,00.html

    different opinions from different german newspapers..

    another random info: dr. doom thinks likelyness of eu collapse is 45% - now i dont know how he impresses his view in % but that man is definately a wizard
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    Poland's appeal to Germany

    Sikorski: German inaction scarier than Germans in action

    Nov 29th 2011, 13:04 by E.L.
    POLAND'S foreign-policy course over the past five years has been marked by two features: caution, and improving relations with Germany. But in a remarkable speech in Berlin yesterday Radek Sikorski, Poland's foreign minister, threw caution aside and made a dramatic appeal (couched more as a demand) to Germany. The speech made front-page news in the Financial Times, which also ran extracts as an op-ed. The speech starts with a reference to the break-up of Yugoslavia, which Mr Sikorski (disclosure: a close friend of this author) witnessed as a journalist in 1991. The decision by Serbia to print its own dinars marked the end of the federal republic, and the path to a series of wars that killed 140,000 people, ruined the lives of millions more, and turned places that had once been among the most advanced bits of the "communist" world into impoverished backwaters.Mr Sikorski (who studied philosophy, politics and economics at Oxford) then paid a nice tribute to the German philosopher Immanuel Kant, who highlighted the moral importance of money. Kant, he noted, had argued that:
    the entire practice of lending money presupposed at least the honest intention to repay. If this condition were universally ignored, the very idea of lending and sharing wealth would be undermined. For Kant, honesty and responsibility were categorical imperatives: the foundation of any moral order. For the European Union, likewise, these are the cornerstones. I would point to the two fundamental values: Responsibility and Solidarity. Our responsibility for decisions and processes. And Solidarity when it comes to bearing the burdens.
    Mr Sikorski then skewered the argument that enlargement is to blame for the euro zone's problems. (That was raised in an FT op-ed a few weeks ago, and attacked in my European Voice column a few days later). Poland and Slovakia have been the two fastest-growing economies in the European Union in the past four years. Trade between the ten "new" EU members and the 15 "old" ones had risen from €51 billion* in 1995 to €222 billion now. That trade boom, he argued, had if anything cushioned the "West European welfare states" from facing reality.
    The real cause of the crisis, Mr Sikorski said, was confidence. In a pointed dig at his German hosts, he continued:
    Let us be honest with ourselves and admit that markets have every right to doubt the credibility of the euro zone. After all, the Stability and Growth Pact has been broken 60 times! And not just by smaller countries in difficulty, but by its founders in the very core of the euro zone.
    That, of course, includes Germany.
    Mr Sikorski went on to highlight the fragility of the EU's institutions and procedures: they work "tolerably well" when times are good, but depend on "goodwill and a sense of propriety" that frays quickly in a crisis. The collapse of the euro zone would be just such a crisis, but far worse than any experienced in the EU in its history.
    The break-up would be a crisis of apocalyptic proportions beyond our financial system. Once the logic of "each man for himself" takes hold, can we really trust everyone to act communitarian and resist the temptation to settle scores in other areas, such as trade? Would you really bet the house on the proposition that if the euro zone breaks up, the single market, the cornerstone of the European Union, will definitely survive? After all, messy divorces are more frequent than amicable ones.
    The choice, he said, was either deeper integration or collapse. Mr Sikorski outlined a fiscal federation, with tough rules ("almost impossible" to block by political means) for backsliders, in return for the European Central Bank becoming a real central bank, and acting as a lender of last resort. That should happen, he argued, even before the necessary laws are fully in place.
    He also supported dramatic changes in the political governance of the EU, including pan-European candidates lists for the European Parliament, fewer commissioners and perhaps a directly elected EU president. In return, the EU would stay out of
    everything to do with national identity, culture, religion, lifestyle, public morals, and rates of income, corporate and VAT.
    Next came a warning to Britain:
    If you can’t join, please allow us to forge ahead. And please start explaining to your people that European decisions are not Brussels's diktats but results of agreements in which you freely participate
    Mr Sikorski thanked (in German) his hosts for German generosity and support in past years. He also noted that Germany trades more with Poland than it does with Russia, adding, in a barbed aside, "although you would not always know it from the German political discourse".
    Then came the crunch, headlined "What does Poland ask of Germany?". First came six points Mr Sikorski wanted Germany to acknowledge.
    1) it is the biggest beneficiary of the current arrangements and therefore under the biggest obligation to sustain them
    2) it is not the "innocent victim of others' profligacy...You, who should have known better, have also broken the Growth and Stability Pact...your banks...recklessly bought risky bonds"
    3) the crisis has lowered Germany's borrowing costs
    4) if its neighbours' economies implode, it will suffer
    5) the danger of collapse is greater than the danger of inflation
    6) "your size and your history" mean a "special responsibility to preserve peace and democracy on the continent".

    The biggest threat to Poland's security and prosperity, Mr Sikorski said, was not terrorism or the Taliban (and certainly not German tanks). It was not even the Russian missiles that the Kremlin is threatening to deploy on Poland's border. A far greater threat would be the collapse of the euro zone.
    Mr Sikorski concluded:
    I demand of Germany that, for your sake and for ours, you help [the euro zone] survive and prosper. You know full well that nobody else can do it. I will probably be the first Polish foreign minister in history to say so, but here it is: I fear German power less than I am beginning to fear German inactivity.
    Germany, he said, was Europe's "indispensable nation".
    You may not fail to lead. Not dominate, but to lead in reform. Provided that you include us in decision-making, Poland will support you.
    Mr Sikorski concluded by highlighting the danger of belated reform, which had doomed the old Polish-Lithuanian joint state, founded in 1385 and finally extinguished four centuries later. Like the EU, it raised the standards of its time, pioneering the rule of law, participatory politics and regional security. Political paralysis led to its demise. Reform (such as the abolition of a crippling unanimity rule and the introduction of a permanent government) came in 1791, but too late. Poland was wiped from the map four years later.
    Mr Sikorski ended his speech with these words:
    We are standing on the edge of a precipice. This is the scariest moment of my ministerial life but therefore also the most sublime. Future generations will judge us by what we do, or fail to do. Whether we lay the foundations for decades of greatness, or shirk our responsibility and acquiesce in decline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Poland's appeal to Germany

    Sikorski: German inaction scarier than Germans in action

    Nov 29th 2011, 13:04 by E.L.
    [I]POLAND'S foreign-policy course over the past five years has been marked by two features: caution, and improving relations with Germany. But in a remarkable speech in Berlin yesterday Radek Sikorski, Poland's foreign minister, threw caution aside and made a dramatic appeal (couched more as a demand) to Germany. The speech made front-page news in the Financial Times, which also ran extracts as an op-ed.
    (...)
    'Nuff said.


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    A story taken from the Financial times



    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    The epic euro crisis disaster movie


    The deepening euro crisis is beginning to take on all the characteristics of a blockbuster Hollywood disaster movie. So this column is proud to present the first draft of the screenplay for The Charlemagne Adventure.

    Opening scene
    : The first-class cabin of The Charlemagne, the biggest and most luxurious liner ever to set sail. A jazz band is playing Beethoven’s Ninth when a freak wave slams into the side of the boat. The screen fills with water, we hear screams and crashes. When the light returns it is clear the ship has capsized.
    The Captain: Don’t panic. We hit a black swan and have capsized. We’ve sent a distress signal to the IMF, the ECB and the Chinese.
    In the corner, we see a German woman. She turns to a Frenchman:
    “I don’t think anyone’s coming to rescue us. This ship will sink. We’re going to need to save ourselves.”

    French: I agree. (Calls to 15 others nearby.) Gather round everyone, we’re going to get out of here. I’ve got a plan; the Germans are going to pay for our escape.
    German: No. If we buy a lifeboat you’ll only capsize again. We are going to work together. Now listen. We have to climb to the bottom of the ship to escape. It’s going to be dangerous and the chances are we won’t all make it.
    Finn: Why not?
    German: That’s how these films work, Dummkopf. We can’t all escape. Greece, I expect we’ll be losing you first, around the 20-minute mark, but it’s OK as you’re not that sympathetic a character. Portugal, you’ll be next; then Italy. Spain, you’ll go at the end just when we think we’re going to make it.
    Italian to the Spaniard: This seems a bit Hanseatic to me.
    Twenty minutes later. The intrepid 17 are climbing as fire flares below when they hear a scream.
    Belgian: What was that?
    German: It was the Greek. He fell into the flames . . . right on schedule. Don’t worry; we’ve built a firewall around him.
    Italian: He didn’t deserve to die.
    German: He wasn’t prepared to put in the hard yards. He’d have taken us all down with him. Now listen, we have to move on. We’ll all die unless we stick to the plan.
    Italian: What plan?
    German: The one we’ll be presenting on December 9.
    French: Wait, I can hear the British. They’re calling from a nearby helicopter.
    Italian: What do they say?
    German: They’re telling us to sort this out as a matter of urgency. They also say we should have had some lifeboats and not capsized.
    French : Are they going to help?
    Germans: Yes, they’re sending reinforcements of moral support.
    French: If we get out of here, I’m closing down the City of London.
    Germans: Weren’t you doing that anyway?
    An hour later: the Portuguese has drowned and the Irishman has fallen from the rafters. The Italian is dangling on fast fraying rope.
    Italian to the German: For God’s sake, help us. Buy us a lifeboat or I’m doomed. I’ve been made as unsympathetic as the Greek.
    French: He’s right, what do we do?
    German: We could replace him with a technocrat. I know a reliable sound engineer we can draft in.
    Belgian: Look a radio. We can signal for help.
    French: Mayday, mayday! This is The Charlemagne calling the ECB; we are trapped on a sinking ship with something of a liquidity crisis.
    ECB: This is not a liquidity crisis; it’s a solvency crisis.
    French: It’s both; you have to bail us out. Italy’s hanging by a thread. (A scream.) Spain’s in real trouble.
    German: They can’t help without a treaty change. But if we work fast we can be out of here by 2013.
    Spaniard: We don’t have that long. We’re drowning in debt here so to hell with your credit rating. If you can save us you have to do it now.
    German: It’s too late.
    Spain: Why?
    German: I told you; you’re the shock last casualty.
    A girder falls crushing the Spaniard.
    German: Look it’s just us now; We’re nearly there. We can make it.
    A loud crash . . . 
    Dutchman: The ship is breaking apart – the water is flooding in.
    German: We just have to hang on ’til December 9.
    French: It’s too late. We’re all going to die.
    German: Wait a minute. This wasn’t in the script. It isn’t meant to end like this.
    Sounds of structures collapsing, explosions, screams and then silence and darkness. End credits.
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    I wrote a better story because I found the Financial Times plot to be too much Hollywood and lacking in realism.

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    Prologue
    Captain Mitterand is worried that his two frenemies Herr Kohl and Herr Krenz are about to to enter a civil partnership. It's not that he's against gay marriage, it's just that he fears that together they will be able to afford the biggest yacht in the yacht club. Mitterand who is the current chairman of the yacht club is worried that the status of owning such a large yacht might make the other members more likely to make Herr Kohl, who's the obvious "top" in the marriage, the next chairman of the yacht club.

    Captain Mitterand therefore decide that the best way to hide Herr Kohls power is to create a huge super yacht that the entire yacht club can sail on. Herr Kohl will pay for most of it but all the other yacht members will be so impressed by the idea that they will vote for Mitterand in the next election. Herr Kohl isn't very eager about this but agree since Mitterand also happens to be the only civil servant in town able to register civil partnerships.

    He is worried that being the richest person in the yacht club he's going to end up paying for most of the boat despite the fact that he already got a really nice yacht capable of sailing across the atlantic. Mitterand however promise that with this huge super yacht he'll not only be able to sail, he'll also be able to have an on-board swimming pool and the chance to become close friends with all the members of the yacht club. Even the more conservative ones are going to become so thankful that they will accept the partnership between Herr Kohl and Herr Krenz!

    Herr Kohl is still reluctant but agrees to a compromise where he will pay for most of the yacht but that each yacht club member has to provide his own life raft. Thereby Herr Kohl at least doesn't have to worry about insurance costs.


    Opening scene
    All the characters in the prologue are now dead as Mitterand was an old man and Herr & Herr Kohl where a promiscuous gay couple in the early 90s (they got AIDS and died). Instead they are replaced by Mitterands illegitimate nephew Francois and Herr Kohls adopted daughter Germania.

    The entire yacht club is assembled on the super yacht "Le-Napoleon", the biggest and most luxurious yacht ever to set sail. A jazz band is playing Beethoven’s Ninth when a freak wave slams into the side of the boat. The screen fills with water, we hear screams and crashes. When the light returns it is clear the ship has capsized.
    The Captain: Don’t panic. We hit a black swan and are taking in water.
    Francois immediately takes the initiative to signal the nearby ships IMF, the ECB and the Chinese who are in the vicinity.

    Francois: Don't worry, we got some issues but we're doing great!

    The yacht then starts to sink and even Francois realize that it is time to enter the life rafts. Suddenly they hear a large "BOOM!" coming from Irelands raft.
    Ireland: Guys, I have a problem! It turns out that this new engine made out of papier-mache and running on ethanol wasn't such a great idea.

    All the yacht members get worried and decide that they must save Ireland from his issues. Everyone takes a share of Irelands luggage and Ireland is evacuated by his big brother Great Britain who bought a helicopter instead of participating in the building of the super yacht. As the members return to their life rafts again there is a lot of commotion.

    Greece, Portugal, Italy and Spain: We don't want to go in our rafts!

    It turns out that none of the men could afford to participate in the project and had to take large loans. Therefore they decided to save money and make life rafts out of concrete. They won't float like they promised Germania that they would, but at least it looked like they where doing what they had promised.

    Germania: I can't take you all on board, we will sink before any of the other ships manages to get here. Francois, what should we do?

    Francois: We'll save them by tying all the life rats together and pray that the added Buoyancy will keep us afloat until somone can rescue us *Francois then heads off to the radio room and secretly sends out a distress call to retract his first communication*

    Germania: I don't want to tie concrete rafts to my life raft. They won't add any buoyancy and will just make us sink with the other rafts

    Francois: Well this is all your fault because your parents paid for most of the ship. So should accept this deal, it's you duty.

    Greece: Guys, my life raft is burning. Help!

    Germania: How can you make concrete burn?

    Greece: Well to be honest, my wife wanted to spend the concrete money on clothes instead so we convinced the builder to make it out of papier-mache instead. And to be honest, it was burning even when we started to sail but I didn't want to miss the trip. And it's your duty to save me because it's mostly your ship and I bought you a drink yesterday.

    Germania: I could have gotten that drink from Finland anyway but I can let you on my raft if you promise to help me with the rowing.

    Greece: You damn homo offspring! You know that I got a severe tennis arm and rowing is going to hurt like hell.

    Germania: *sobs* You know that my parents are a sensitive issue and you're not getting onto the raft unless you promise to help.

    Francois: Okay I got a new idea. Lets buy new life rafts for everyone! That way we can all sail until someone come and save us.

    Greece continues to scream obscenities at Germania but no one listens to him anymore


    Germania: Francois, that is not going to help. We didn't bring any money and we also need someone who can build the rafts, just having the money wouldn't help. And why does everyone need a new rafts? I thought our rafts were fine, you've even bragged a lot about their AAA security rating!

    Francois: Well, many of the other members couldn't afford to buy shares in the super yacht so I lent them money and built my raft out of concrete since I thought you would be willing to pay for all the rafts if we needed one. But now your being egoistic and refusing to buy all of us new rafts and I didn't expect that. Also, we've secretly been replacing parts of your raft with concrete. It will [hopefully] float but I don't think it will be doing very well if that storm comes any closer...

    At this point Finland gives up, takes his raft and sail away towards the sunset. The Netherlands wants to do the same thing but doesn't have the confidence as he is standing so close to Germania

    Germania: I am not egoistic, it's just that I don't have so much money and we still need someone who can make the rafts so that we can buy them!

    Francois: We could just print our own "yacht money" buy them online and have them delivered by DHL!

    Germania gives up. Starts her lap top and makes an order at Amazon.com for 17 life rafts. Amazon.com has however been hearing the entire conversation through the emergency radio and knows that the "yacht money" are only useful on the yacht that is about to sink. She therefore refuses the payment to the surprise of Francois

    At this point the entire yacht sinks and as the upper decks are swallowed by water Germania realize that Francois has tied all the rafts together without Germanias permission. Germania and her buddies the Netherlands and Austria slowly suffocates as they are dragged down to the ocean floor by the other club members.

    Meanwhile Finland picks up his mobile and tries to call his buddies Sweden and Norway who weren't on the raft to tell them what had happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    Meanwhile Finland picks up his mobile and tries to call his buddies Sweden and Norway who weren't on the raft to tell them what had happened.[/I]
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    all agreeable. also especially strong for a polish dude to speak like this over germany. what else can you say? germany needs to fix this too or suffer but how? we cant just print money or creat eurobonds without rules. we will not suffer more then others then but lose more and who will thank is if we sacrifice so much? it will be twisted and screwed and nazi cartoons will be printed nevertheless. and france will steal us the show, say it was their effort and will take sole domination back and we ll be in the next eurocrises later this decade.
    maybe inflating the dpet away is the only chance..

    i am sure it is worked hard on a solution. i am very unsure it will not work and europe will fall apart again. however merkel surprised me positively before, maybe they are working on a master plan still that might work. maybe thats why they were playing time for so long. maybe the whole esfs was just a method to play some time and distract the markets... maybe that or the eu falls apart in debuary when italy needs to replace 50bn of dept and fail to get it from investors.
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    Glad you posted up Sikorski,s speech my friend. I was very impressed the other day by his no nonsense words.
    Last night I watched a small debate on the consequences of a eurozone collapse for Ireland.
    The consensus of the economists on the panel was not good.
    Interesting that it came out, that a lot of business people were putting in contingency plans to deal with the event.
    A government politician on the panel was not aware of any plans being drawn up by the government.
    That did not inspire me with any confidence, Of course it did not suprise me either!
    The global economy and the speed that things now move at. Have gone beyond the ability of the average politician to grasp or respond too in a manner that will help their citizens.
    If I get the chance of voting again, I want to know what the economic credentials of the candidates are.
    Before I cast my vote.

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    wow, check out the stock market. the world banks decided to piss liquidity into the markets and 14:05 german time and the dax took off for a while like i havent seen it in ages...

    its a fireworks right now

    interest rates for german national bonds were in the minus for a short time. i almost spoke with a swiss accent for a few minutes

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    the greek industrial problem is not lazyness/idleness like the one of the 7 dead sins of the bible, the problem is that greece failed to invest in infrastructure for decades.
    who talks about greece anyways, the time to worry about tax money beeing exported to greece is long over. the crisis arrived in the core of the eu.

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    Hilarious!

    Is it true that one 'bout Finland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    Hilarious!

    Is it true that one 'bout Finland?
    They aren't leaving but they demand collaterals to participate in the Greek bail out.

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    They are so going to get split between Sweden and Russia in due time.

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    Hmm, The clock is still ticking.
    The move by some central banks to pump, or I should say let eurozone banks get access to $ dollars at a cheap rate.
    Was to stop the collapse of one or more major euro banks.
    The euro banks were running out of cash, They could not get access to interbank lending and currency swops.
    If those banks had gone down the 2008 crash would have been a picnic compared to the defaults on these banks bonds held in the U.S. and other countries.
    Now this boost has bought a few days, It now all hinges on the December 9th and the E.C.B.
    Be prepared for Greece and others to be allowed to haircut more bond holders.
    Otherwise the debt crisis cannot be solved.

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    I don't believe anything will be resolved on the 9th. They'll just come up with more and half-arsedness.
    How much longer can they keep all these balls up in the air?

    They say ‘central banks’ but that was just a face saver.
    It was actually the US Fed providing dollars to keep European banks on the verge of collapse afloat, probably Italian, because dollar funding has been fleeing Europe.
    The Americans must be annoyed that German intransigence forced their hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Blimp View Post
    I don't believe anything will be resolved on the 9th. They'll just come up with more and half-arsedness.
    How much longer can they keep all these balls up in the air?

    They say ‘central banks’ but that was just a face saver.
    It was actually the US Fed providing dollars to keep European banks on the verge of collapse afloat, probably Italian, because dollar funding has been fleeing Europe.
    The Americans must be annoyed that German intransigence forced their hand.
    Well yes the Fed had to be the big mover,s seeing how the U.S. would get hammered if massive defaults occured.
    The eurozone meeting I think will move on two fronts.
    Fiscal intergration and use the I.M.F. as a conduit for E.C.B. cash to be funneled to the troubled area,s.
    They will pray the markets buy /swallow this move.
    If not! They will be either forced to use the E.C.B. as a proper central bank or let the eurozone collapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie View Post
    Hmm, The clock is still ticking.
    The move by some central banks to pump, or I should say let eurozone banks get access to $ dollars at a cheap rate.
    Was to stop the collapse of one or more major euro banks.
    The euro banks were running out of cash, They could not get access to interbank lending and currency swops.
    If those banks had gone down the 2008 crash would have been a picnic compared to the defaults on these banks bonds held in the U.S. and other countries.
    Now this boost has bought a few days, It now all hinges on the December 9th and the E.C.B.
    Be prepared for Greece and others to be allowed to haircut more bond holders.
    Otherwise the debt crisis cannot be solved.
    Nope, one doesn't coordinate such a measure during one night. The central bank actions were probably planned for a long time. After-all now that the US is recovering from the recession, it would be money well lent to help Europe avoid one.

    Look at the German-French "immediate crisis negotiations" taking weeks.
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    Nope, one doesn't coordinate such a measure during one night. The central bank actions were probably planned for a long time. After-all now that the US is recovering from the recession, it would be money well lent to help Europe avoid one.

    Look at the German-French "immediate crisis negotiations" taking weeks.
    Most likely the central bank deal was struck at the G20 meeting at Cannes
    Seeing as all the major players were there.

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    God I'm good:

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    Sorry, but we aren't that naive. In German diplomatic parlance the line was always "let the French be the glamour girls, we make the deals." That's not very nice but it was always clear who got the money and it was rather opportunistic in mending our image.

    From a geopolitical point of view the EU is the insurance that for the first time ever the German lands have not a single opponent at any border to think about.

    From an economic pointview the trade barriers of the 19th (freetrade my ass) and 20th century are gone which is great for the economy which overtook British dominance in Europe in that timeframe.

    Other stuff is also simple state directed economic investment. By upholding the Kyoto protocol Germany has fostered a large market share in an innovative and high tech market very well suited for our economic structure of highly efficient small to middle sized businesses.

    Overall you shouldn't underestimate why we rather behave "naive" than opportunistic. It helps the elephant to tread carefully. This goes for germany in Europe like it does for the US in the world.
    All that was taken care off pre-Euro. I was specifically talking the Euro which our politicians and bundesbank viewd with much skepticism, and seemingly was only agreed upon as a part of some reunification deal. In hindsight they where not skeptic enough and where lead by the ideal of reunification...thats right in line...

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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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