Any suggestion on how to deal with elephant?

[luckk]

I just started playing this game, coming back from shogun 2. I'm getting my ass kicked by Carthage's War elephants. These beasts just come into my city and start rolling in my infantry formation over and over. It's so frustrating to see their number remain unchanged after slaughtering hundreds of my men. I know javelin is an option in original game, but it didn't seem to be very effective here.

Also, what's with the Senate people? They attacked me while my army came across, even though we are allies. When can I beat the crap out of them? Do I need to go through some event? or I can just kill them off whenever I have enough troops.

[Ketnix]

Velites are very effective in taking down elephants so stick to saving their javs for the elephants. All units survive longer than they did in vanilla Rome, and javs are the most effective way in taking down the elephant units.

You don't want to leave your troops in the province of Rome during a turn as the Senate legions will think you are making a move towards civil war and they will take the first shot. To avoid this simply make sure you can get through the province without having to use a turn or just go around that province. You can pretty much destroy the Senate when ever you please but the Senate imperial legions and Pratorian legions are far supperior to the pre Marius reforms units you get in the beggining of the game. You don't get the reforms untill Carthage is destroyed and you build certain things in the cities ( I don't rememeber exactly what you have to do, but you can find the information in these forums somewhere).

[luckk]

Thanks Ketnix, the tide of battle has been turned after the war breaking out among Carthage, Greeks and Spain. I'm hoping that barbarians can stay at where they are until I crush Carthage.

Already took the capital of Carthage, but can't find their main forces in North Africa, it kinda worries me.

[milkos]

IMO.. after taking Carthago... send atleast 2 legions to Iberia(SPAIN) then take Carthago Nova... that will make things easier for your North African Campaign..

[luckk]

my campaign in North African is successful, captured almost every city, but Greeks are invading through the east coast of Italy. What's worse is that the reinforcement I assembled from other cities revolted. Why won't Barbarian sign the damn treaty with me? I offer them land and money, but they still don't like it. they have lost at least 15 stacks of army now, but more just keep coming.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Why won't Barbarian sign the damn treaty with me? I offer them land and money, but they still don't like it. they have lost at least 15 stacks of army now, but more just keep coming.

They get extra population bonuses so that they are able to keep sending you stack after stack. You will not be able to sign any treaty's with any of the factions.

[Ejergard]

Did you open a border towards the Germanians aswell?

[luckk]

Did you open a border towards the Germanians aswell?

Yeah, They keep sending down troops, but not as much as Gaul does. only three stacks so far. I pushed Gaul back to the city with bridge near by. I have killed at least 8 stacks on the bridge with little casualty .

They get extra population bonuses so that they are able to keep sending you stack after stack. You will not be able to sign any treaty's with any of the factions.

No diplomacy? This really sucks.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Yeah, They keep sending down troops, but not as much as Gaul does. only three stacks so far. I pushed Gaul back to the city with bridge near by. I have killed at least 8 stacks on the bridge with little casualty .


No diplomacy? This really sucks.

Diplomacy has always been a problem with RTW it was broke from starters and it still is broke hence why lt made the mod like it is.

[Abmong]

This may sound harsh but my best advice is to restart the campaign and don't open a front with germania until you get the marius reforms. I've done it myself before and was a pain in the ass.
Also I'm not sure about this one but for me the greeks stopped sending armies after I took Sicily.

A tactic I learned was. when in doubt... attack. may not work for everyone/situation, but I find attacking easier that defending. Their armies will not rush you, allowing you to pick the best moment. Using the bait and attack tactics with your equites, usually has the enemy (especially the barbarians) send 1-2 units at a time at you, letting you pick them off one by one. I get a 1-2% loss vs the enemies 95% ratio this way. Another small tip wich you may already know is not to attcking barbarians in forrests if it can be avoided and always put your legions in forts at the end of turn, so you don't get your ass attacked by gauls in winter! and if they siege your fort, wait til the snow goes to attack.

As for full spartan armies (now some may consider this cheating... by house rules) I built an auxillia force (x4 Hastati, x4 Italian Hastati, x6 velites and x1 slingers). Again pick a good spot and attack them first on the strat map, but bait them to attack you in battle. Hold the front line with your Hastati (in tight formation and guard mode) and a second line of Italian Hastati in reserve showering pila. when the spartans engage your line, flank them with you're velites and let rip... your auxillia force will suffer 40-60% casualty, but if you've used this in conjunction with a full legion in wait. Your main legion only has to stroll in and mop up

[Anders Luvtusei]

If anyone wants to know how to stop the aggressive nations(Gaul, Germany, Greece) from constantly invading u, I used the "buffer region strategy" I started a campaign as Rome and pushed the Gauls back across the Alps and now I bordered Germany and they started attacking me, again and again, no matter how many times I destroyed their armies they were coming back and I had my armies focusing on Carthage, so I conquered one German province and pulled all the troops out, soon it rebelled and now this rebel buffer province stands between the Germans and me and they stopped sending armies, moreover they are not trying to regain that region either... so I think it is a good strategy, I don't know if anyone used it before, if not, then I am officially the creator of the "BUFFER REGION STRATEGY"

[Abmong]

lol yep people have used it before. House rules even has a section on it... It basicly says DON'T DO IT. Its not cheating but its exploiting the game flaws. And if you want a more challenging experience, be a man stick to the house rules. The other thing is to not leave troops on bridges as the AI is stupid and will literally throw themselves into the river, thus it's a cheap win.

[lt1956]

SPQR is a hardcore mod, it teaches strategy and logistics for the player. Yes having wave and wave isn't realistic, but then if it were realistic we would have larger armies fighting with several legions in one army. SPQR because of the attacks and the AI trying to exploit any weakness, will cause the player to plan and think out their strategy before beginning. If they don't, they usually lose pretty quick or its obvious they will lose eventually.

Logistics is important for supporting your Legions in the field, Recon of the Enemy and their strength is important. True legions are very tough and with the proper commander, Conditions, and player can hold off as many as 5 armies before being destroyed. But being too confident can cause you to not support your legion and if they are cut off without resupply they will be wiped out.

Nations are no longer pushovers like in the vanilla, they have strong armies and unique abilities. RTW engine isn't the best, but it could be worse as seen by later games from CA. Shogun2 seems to be pretty good but I hate steam and the online updates all the time.

Economy is important in SPQR, you need money to Build Legions. Otherwise the Barbarians will overtake you and the senate.

As to your problem, Velites are the key. 1 unit of Velite can kill 1 unit of Elephants, its been tested out alot. Keep in mind you should be playing on M/M if you not you better start over as your game is already lost and you don't know it. There is only 1 setting for SPQR mod and thats Medium, but one can get away with Easy. Playing on Hard or VH is insane and I know of no one who can prove they finished a game on those settings.

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[KingIrabagon]

well velites is anti elephants

you know bristleback in dota? or armadon in HoN? they are like velites.

1st attack = like nothing happen
2nd attack = some dies
3rd + attack = they die pretty quick