Los Realistas! aka the Royalists

[[N]Fullin]

1816-1817 Army

Virrey with personal guard on his left and reserve grenadiers on his right.
Btallon del General del Alto Peru and Granaderos Expedicionarios de reserva

In 1817 the newly arrived grenadiers from Spain (expedicionarios) have their new bearskins a la française...later on they will replace them by their american style made of monkey or dog skin!!!





the guys on the left are the veterans from each regiment with upto 25 years of service!
they were taken from the original regiments b4 the campaigns as they were not fit for it.
So this regiment will have very high moral, very low stamina and below avarage shooting stats.


Infanteria de Linea del Alto Peru






Infanteria Ligera Talavera






Regimiento Burgos Chile campaign Summer uniform



Milicias Locales




Light infantry




And my favourites
Granaderos de Numancia with pants a lo mameluco!

[Ziuk]

Good work! It will be my army

[lazerBAR]

Sweet units man, will definitely use them.

[Liberalis Bellatricus]

El Muchacho strikes again !

[Avon_Ulysses]

the mustaches are too small.

[Wilhelm von Nassau]

Can someone explain what this is for? a sub-mod or standalone? Looks great though.

[[N]Fullin]

Standalone for NTW3 coming out January 1st

[[N]Fullin]

Caballeria Realista

Lanceros del Rey









Lanceros de Santa Cruz

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Artilleria (with one gay artillery man)





Cazadores a Caballo



Dragones de la Union



Carabineros



Husares de Fernando VII

[Halberdier]

Historically correction:

Spanish Army of "Upper Perú" was 100% native infantry: those mustaches and european faces have no place in Royalist Army of Upper Perú. You must to do the spanish soldiers with the etnic faces of people of Andes: indeans.

Expeditionary regiments are the unique european soldiers (Burgos and Talavera). Chilean must to be a mix of european and indean soldiers.

[[N]Fullin]

Historically correction:

Spanish Army of "Upper Perú" was 100% native infantry: those mustaches and european faces have no place in Royalist Army of Upper Perú. You must to do the spanish soldiers with the etnic faces of people of Andes: indeans.

Expeditionary regiments are the unique european soldiers (Burgos and Talavera). Chilean must to be a mix of european and indean soldiers.

Historical Correction

Iam a native Argentine, I dont look like a Patagones Indian , and I have a very interesting mustache.

Pizarro founded Lima in 1534, dont you think that by 1817 there were "native" from Spanish descendance.

[Halberdier]

Hola en español entonces!

Bueno has hecho la uniformidad con una excelente precisión, pero creo que es muy importante la proprorción etnica de las tropas para darle el verdadero sabor americano que debe tener la emancipación (si no podría parecer un soso trasnplante de las guerras napoleonicas.

Mi sugerencia está basada en un conocimiento historico muy profundo de las guerras de independencia y te sugiero lo siguiente sobre la proporción etnica, en general:

-Unidades de Milicias (10% blancos+ 90% indígenas)
-Unidades de Línea americanas (10% blancos+90% indígenas y castas)
-Unidades Expedicionarias europeas (50% blancos (Compañía de granaderos y cazadores)+50%castas (compañías de fusileros))

El motivo es que la tropa de europeos se iba renovando con la población local americana local, es decir en el Alto Perú son indígenas, y además todas las unidades americanas de España están formadas por indígenas. Por ejemplo los batallones de Granaderos de la Reserva del Cuzco son indígenas lo mismo que el batallón de Guias del general del Alto Perú (que en tu mod aparecen con bigote y son blancos erróneamente).

En cambio el batallón Numancia es un batallón americano originalmente formado en Venezuela, con Castas (probablemente negros mestizos,zambos,etc) y que como sabes el general español Pablo Morillo entregó a cambio de quedarse con los expedicionarios europeos que iban al Perú.

English traslation

Hello in Spanish then!

Well you've done an excellent uniforms, with precision, but I think it is very important ethnic proprorción the troops to give the true American flavor that emancipation should be (if not it may seem a dull trasnplante of the Napoleonic wars).

My suggestion is based on a very deep historical knowledge of the wars of independence and I suggest the following about the ethnic proportions of the royal army of Peru:

-Militia-Unit (10% + 90% indigenous white)
-Line-units (10% +90% white and indigenous breeds)
-European expeditionary units (50% white (grenadiers and cazadore companies) +50% castes (rifle companies))

The reason is that European troops would renew with the local population of the area of action, ie in Upper Peru are indigenous, plus all the American units of Spain are made by Indians. For example Grenadier battalion Reserve Cuzco are indians, the same as the battalion Guides General of Upper Peru (which appear in your mod mustache are white in a mistake).

In contrast, the Numancia battalion is an American battalion and was originally formed in Venezuela, with CAST (probably black mestizos, baboons, etc.) and as you know the Spanish general Pablo Morillo gave in exchange for staying with the European explorers who came to Peru.

[[N]Fullin]

Extraño es entonces que el libro que hemos utilizado como base, Los Realistas de Julio Mario Luqui Legleyze y Antonio Manzano Lahoz, en sus mas de 40 imagenes no tenga un solo indigena salvo para tropas indigenas.

No contradigo yo sus fuentes , ni la autenticidad de sus datos, simplemente me parece extraño que tan renombrados autores en tan completo ensayo en uniformologia, se hayan equivocado tanto.

La solucion a dicho problema es muy simple Y veremos como corregirla una vez que pueda confirmar en alguna literatura publicada sus datos.

Muchisimas Gracias.
espero escuchar mas de Ud,

[Halberdier]

Conozco y tengo mi poder el libro del profesor Luqui Lagleyze y de Manzano Lahoz, "Los Realistas", y se trata de una puntillosa descripción de los uniformes, es verdad, pero no explica de la composición étnica de los ejércitos ni lo pretende.

Sin embargo Luqui Lagleyze sí lo hace en otro de sus libros, este sí ya es más erudito en el ejército realista del Perú y afirma que los oficiales realistas tenían que aprender a dar órdenes en lenguas quechuas para dirigir a sus tropas lo que es un dato definitivo. Otros autores españoles como José Semprun y Alfonso Bullón , en sendas obras, describen con detalle cómo son las formaciones militares de los realistas.

Aquí encontraras una descripción etnica de los soldados y la oficialidad. Mira aquí

Unidades Expedicionarias (europeas)
-Soldados 50% europeos y 50% americanos (castas indígenas o negros)
-Oficiales 66% europeos y 33% americanos blancos

Unidades Americanas
-Soldados 90 % americanos (castas indígenas o negros) y 10% veteranos (americanos o europeos)
-Oficiales 33% europeos y 66% americanos blancos

Milicias
-oficiales (blancos) y soldados (castas indígenas o negros) son 100% americanos.

Los europeos y criollos blancos, tanto en los patriotas como realistas, iban formando la caballería de ambos ejércitos, mientras que en los regimientos de infantería expedicionarios, los europeos iban siempre en las compañías de granaderos y cazadores, mientras que las compañías de fusileros se iban nutriendo de americanos.

Definitivamente ninguna unidad de milicias o de Línea americana estaba conformada por europeos, ya que se trata de unidades que toman completamente la población local. Logicamente en Venezuela y Colombia predominan castas y mestizaje negro, mientras que en Perú y Bolivia predominan castas y mestizaje indígena.


Traslation

I know and I have in my power the book by Professor Luqui Lagleyze and Manzano Lahoz, "Los Realistas" and it is a punctilious description of the uniform, that is true, but does not explain the ethnic composition of the armies nor intended.

But it does Luqui Lagleyze in another of his books, this itself is more knowledgeable in the royal army of Peru and realistic claims that officers had to learn to give orders in Quechua to lead his troops what is data definite. Other Spanish authors like Joseph Semprun and Alfonso Bullon , in separate works are described in detail how the military formations of the realists.

Here you can see

Expeditionary Units (European)
-Soldiers 50% European and 50% American (indigenous or black)
-Officers 66% European and 33% white American

American units
-Soldiers 90% American (indigenous or black) and 10% Veterans (American or European)
-Officers 33% European and 66% white American

Militia
-Officers (white) and Soldiers (indigenous or black) 100% americans

Europeans and natives, both the Patriots and Royalist, were formed the cavalry of both armies, while the expeditionary infantry regiments, the Europeans were always in companies of grenadiers and cazadore, while the rifle companies were being nurtured of Americans.

Definitely no militia or american line unit was made up of European, and it is taking all units of local people. Logically in Venezuela and Colombia dominate black and their mestizo caste, while in Peru and Bolivia dominate indigenous their mestizo caste.

[[N]Fullin]

Thank you very much , you have proven your point at large, and so I will get to work on it asap.

It will be difficult thou to have the right composition in percentage of europeans , indians and black , but i will try to get a more accurate approach to this.

Thank you for the information and please, ppl , feel free to give us all data and info you have and know , so as we can have a more accurate depiction of these interesting wars.

Yours
Lord Fullin

[Archaeopterix]

... Hola Fullin (de nuevo yo), sé que es un poco viejito éste topic pero voy a agregar un dato, quizás interesante... En algún lado he leído (no recuerdo ahora dónde), que los Talaveras, que arribaron a Chile en 1813, usaban un shakó de estilo inglés, el cual luego fué bastante común (según algunas litografías de época) en las guerras internas... No sé si era de estilo totalmente inglés, pero era de forma cónica truncada arriba (por supuesto), no eran rectos en forma cilíndrica, sino que iban achicándose... hacia la parte de arriba, como un bonete (así lo muestran las litografías).

Bueno era agregar éso nomás.

un saludo.

[Saddletank]

I know nothing about this conflict and would be interested in the sub-mod (or stand-alone NTW3 based mod?). I also love how in this community people post whose knowledge and reference material only enhances the correctness of our armies - and having modders willing and happy to take new or contradictory information on board is great in an adult community.

I take it this mod would only work for MP battles or SP-vs-AI battles since no campaign can be played?

[Liberalis Bellatricus]

Wars in the Americas, or WitA, is only playable in MP or custom battles.
When you launch the NTW3 manager, just click the WITA button.