Rebel without a cause

**Abmong** · November 15, 2011, 09:15 PM

Hey guys, recently picked up playing SPQR again after a long period of absence. Almost forgot how much I love this mod!!!

Anyways I'll try getting to the point and this'll propably sound like a noob question... I've picked up where I left off last time, around 150BC(no marius). I've kicked both carthage and gauls out of Iberia, only leaving the non aggressive Spanish rebels in the north-west. All the gallic coastal cities along the mediterranean are under Rome and I have highways networked all the way back to Italy.

My issue is that I'd like to leave Iberia and start the next campaign in Greece. Problem is the generals and governors there keep rebelling. Even when I send my best Governors from Italy, every time the Iberian cities rebels they lose a management point and also soon lose their loyalties (especially in Gedes) and taking the whole city with them. For that reason I can't spare the my loyal legions for other fronts. This has been going on for 30-40 years now and unrest and cultural penalties is still 80-85% with no signs of falling. All those cities are upgraded to the max for the pop count, so I have no more buildings to build to help control order.

Will erasing the whole Carthaginian faction off the map bring down the unrest/cultural penalties in those cities? because I've tried almost everything else and nothing seems to work for me.

**saienga** · November 15, 2011, 10:11 PM

Did you...
Destroy buildings in those cities with culture penalties? (Temples, some military buidlings, etc.)
Move your capital city to a city nearer the Iberian peninsula? A well-placed capital city has the effect of calming unhappy cities at the expense of reducing the fat and happy to merely (and peacefully) happy.

**Zel408** · November 16, 2011, 03:24 AM

Try recruiting peasants from those cities and disbanding them on territories that have a smaller and happier population. Its best to disband them on Carthaginian cities that need to be upgraded with an imperial palace for the Marius reforms.

**elite_commando** · November 16, 2011, 02:17 PM

make sure the generals u send to govern have high management traits and +law bonuses, cause that reduces corruption and the chances that they would rebel, also make peasants from the border cities and send them as cannon fodder to whoever, reduces unrest cause of smaller population. also bigger garrisons would help, not sure if FL has anything to do with it though but if he does keep ur faction leader in a city with a ludus to build up traits and hopefully keep the others in line

**Abmong** · November 16, 2011, 11:14 PM

Thanx for the replies guys, yeah saienga first thing I did was destroy the negative buildings. Tried moving the capital too but that only reduced unrest by a fraction but also made some of the Italian cities rebel... but mostly the ones in sicily. Don't know if it was just bad timing but around the same time three or four rebel imperial legions appeared near capua but I mananged to destroy them with my manipular legions.

I've tried doing the peasant training trick aswell Zel408, but that would defeat the point a bet as I'm trying to upgrade the troublesum cities also. pops counts are around 22000-23000 with nothing left to build but too low to start an imperial palace. Public order lvls are around 60-90 (at best) thats even with low tax and daily games...

elite_commando I've sent 2-3 generals with max management (you know the ones with: "lesser men obey in all things") even they can't seems to hold it together. They just get killed during riots or rebel after a while its like the cities act as loyalty sinks! All the Iberian cities have full garrisons of town watch. the ones I took from gauls seems to be doing well though, only the cathaginian ones seems to give me trouble... thats why I though it may have something to do with cathage still being around. Strange though since gauls are still around too and they seem to be okay after a few turns.

**milkos** · November 18, 2011, 12:11 AM

suggestion.. after taking settlements not located in the Italian Peninsula.. for me always exterminate populace.. in that way you reduce the local population that are loyal to their former rulers..

**Abmong** · November 20, 2011, 03:14 AM

I always exterminate. problem is having to do it 2-3 times on the same city... and when the pop grows again they start rebelling

**Zel408** · November 21, 2011, 11:38 PM

Town Watch are the best guards for towns and settlements as they have the most men in their ranks.

**Ejergard** · November 22, 2011, 03:35 AM

You can also build a fort close to a problem town, and recruit peasants or town watch continually and place in the fort outside the town to keep population and discontent low. When you have recruited enough, disband them all in the town to reach 24k population and build the palace. And you only need 24k population to unlock the palace, once it has been queued you can recruit units to bring the town to less population again.

**Abmong** · November 23, 2011, 07:13 PM

yep the cities already has 19 stacks of townwatch, plus one governor. still rebelling... Looks like the recruiting peasants then holding the in camps seems like the final solution.