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    I recently recieved this Email from my friend. It is about why Joseph Smith is a false prophet and thus Mormonism a Cult, if not a totally false religion.

    Christian Bible:
    Deuteronomy 18:22 says, If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

    The Book of Mormon:
    On September 1, 1842, Joseph Smith said, for to this day has the God of my fathers delivered me out of them all, and will deliver me from henceforth; for behold, and lo, I shall triumph over all my enemies, for the Lord God hath spoken it. (Doctrine and Covenants, 127:2).

    The last phrase for the Lord God hath spoken it, indicates that this is prophecy. Here, Smith has prophesied that God would allow him to triumph over all his enemies. Less than two years later, these same enemies stormed the Carthage, Illinois jail where Smith was imprisoned and shot him dead. Smith tried to fight back, shooting 3 of his assailants and killing 2 with a pistol smuggled in to him, but his enemies triumphed. This is a false prophecy. By the litmus test, we have already shown Smith to be a false prophet. For arguments sake, however, lets explore some more.


    Joseph Smith was also interested in the second coming of Jesus Christ. So much so, that he tried to peg Christs return to a particular year 1891. Smith said, It is the will of the Lord that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was night even fifty-six years, should wind up the scene.

    (The History of the Church, vol II, page 182). Zion here refers to Jackson County, Missouri not to Israel. Given the context in which this was said, the fifty-six year time frame would place the return of Jesus on or before February 14, 1891. Many Mormon periodicals demonstrated that zealous Mormons were anxiously awaiting the fulfillment of that prophecy. February 14, 1891 came and went with no second coming. It was truly a disappointing Valentines Day for many faithful Mormons. Strike three on Smith.

    Strike one against Joseph Smith constitutes a strikeout on his claim of being a prophet.

    See also Isaiah 8:20 and 9:15 on false prophets: if what a prophet says is different from the law, it is because there is "no light in" him; a prophet that teaches lies will be "cut off."


    Comp Hist 1:165. This is contradictory in concept to the Deuteronomy 18:22 test, which says that the failure of the test indicates that the prophet is false. Joseph Smith here implies that the prophecy may be false, but the prophet himself is apparently still a prophet. One might ask then, what good is a prophet?


    SALE OF BOOK OF MORMON COPYRIGHT: Winter 1829-1830. Comp Hist 1:165 Joseph had a revelation that Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery were to go to Toronto to sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon to raise money.


    FULFILLMENT: They went, according to the revelation, but were completely unsuccessful. Joseph Smith "inquired of God" and was told that some "revelations" are not from God. David Whitmer reports this incident in his book An Address To All Believers In Christ, Richmond, 1887, photo reprinting by Utah Lighthouse Ministry, pp 30-31. (See the comment above on the test of a true prophecy.)

    Dec 10, 1833. HC 1:455. Joseph Smith tells the saints that they should retain their lands in Missouri and seek legal redress against their enemies. If they should not obtain it, God will avenge them with "ten thousand of his Saints" and all their adversaries would be destroyed.


    FULFILLMENT: The Mormons lost all their lands in Missouri; they did seek legal redress but were unsuccessful; their enemies were not destroyed; their wrongs were not avenged; the Mormons were driven out of Missouri.

    Dec 16, 1833. D&C 101:17-20 Zion (Missouri) shall not be moved out of its place; the Saints will receive their inheritance there, and there is no other place than Missouri appointed by God for the gathering of the Saints. (LIES all LIES)



    Spring 1834. Joseph Smith prophesies to the members of Zion's Camp that "within three years they should march to Jackson County and there should not be a dog to open his mouth against them." Reed Peck Manuscript p. 3 [cited in Tanner, The Mormon Kingdom 1:4]


    FULFILLMENT: Zion's Camp was organized but utterly failed and it disbanded in July. Cholera decimated them and the campaign did not restore the saints to their homes. They did not return as Zion's Camp. The Mormons continued to encounter fierce opposition. The Mormons never prevailed against their enemies. (Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel through the Ages, p. 282, "Reed Peck Manuscript" p. 3; HC 3:xxxix [cited in Tanner, The Mormon Kingdom 1:4].


    JOSEPH SMITH IS A FALSE PROPHET, there are tons and tons of more prophecies that were not fulfilled... HE EVEN SAID THAT some of his prophecies might not be fulfilled... But what does the ORIGINAL WORD OF GOD STATE?


    Deuteronomy 18:22 says, If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
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    But the Bible contradicts ifself many times. Why are you holding Mormonism to a higher standard then the rest of the religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongoose
    But the Bible contradicts ifself many times. Why are you holding Mormonism to a higher standard then the rest of the religion?
    Because they claim to be christian and Joseph Smith a prophet restoring the teachings of Jesus Christ to the earth, yet he also claims that the Book of Mormon is more accurate than the Bible and that Jesus is incorrectly portrayed in the Bible. He completely disregards biblical passages and actually plagerized from the bible for his own book.

    How is that Christian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    Because they claim to be christian and Joseph Smith a prophet restoring the teachings of Jesus Christ to the earth, yet he also claims that the Book of Mormon is more accurate than the Bible and that Jesus is incorrectly portrayed in the Bible. He completely disregards biblical passages and actually plagerized from the bible for his own book.

    How is that Christian?
    But many of the things in the Bible contradict earlier things in the Bible. How is that Christian? It's not any different. Do you disregard certain books in the Bible because they contradict other books written beforehand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongoose
    But many of the things in the Bible contradict earlier things in the Bible. How is that Christian? It's not any different. Do you disregard certain books in the Bible because they contradict other books written beforehand?
    Times have changed. Most of the OT is outdated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hub'ite
    Times have changed. Most of the OT is outdated.
    And the verse about false prophets is from the OT so that is outdated, and the entire arguement against Mormons falls to pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hub'ite
    Times have changed. Most of the OT is outdated.
    Couldn't a Mormon just as easily say that the parts that contradict their faith are out dated?

    Name one that blatantly disregards everything before it.
    Here we go: in Exodus, God repents for the evil that he was about to commit. Didn't it state that he was perfect before that?

    Christians view everything in the Old and New Testament as Canonical so it falls to your interpretation. And the Words of Jesus are infalliable and can't be contradicted, which Joseph Smith does time and time again
    And the word of the OT wasn't infalliable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongoose
    But many of the things in the Bible contradict earlier things in the Bible. How is that Christian? It's not any different. Do you disregard certain books in the Bible because they contradict other books written beforehand?
    Name one that blatantly disregards everything before it. Christians view everything in the Old and New Testament as Canonical so it falls to your interpretation. And the Words of Jesus are infalliable and can't be contradicted, which Joseph Smith does time and time again
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    Yes, the word of Jesus IS infallible, I think we can all take that to be fact, cant we?

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    Thanks Mudd.

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    How many wives can a morman have before his sholong gets tired?

    But anyhow, yes christians you ruined rome. Well done. peh.
    I worship the worships! Powerful things that eat the moon. WHAT you dont believe! THEN YOU ARE DAMNED!

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