Playing the devil's advocate on incest

[LiciniusII]

I was recently debating with a friend of mine (though I agree with him 100% on this I was just playing the devil's advocate) this is how our conversation went:

me: whats wrong with having sex with my mom?
him: because its wrong
me: why?
him: because she's your mom
me: so?
him: because its not right
me: what makes you think its not right?
him: because it feels wrong
me: no.. it feels wrong because thats what society told you to think, you're not thinking on your own and did not come to that logical conclusion.. your parents told u those things are wrong and that is why you feel that way.


Thoughts? How would you debate against someone playing the devil's advocate in this perticular situation? Personally I have no counterargument to the last statement.

[rez]

This should be in the ethos section

and your response should be its wrong because it produces genetically mutated children. Thats why society tells you not to

I would have thought that was easy

[LiciniusII]

hmm true, I'm sorry for posting in the wrong section my bad

as far as the genetically mutated children go, that wasn't being taken into factor.. it was merely just having sex with your mother.

[MaximiIian]

its wrong because it produces genetically mutated children.

Ah, but people don't always have sex for procreation. That's the thing with us primates and also dolphins...we derive pleasure from the act, as well as using it as an artistic medium to express emotional feeling for another of our species. When a man loves a woman, and that woman happens to be his cousin, I see no reason to intervene, especially when it does not harm me.

[Removed_user_012521]

I thought the whole Idea behind love between parents-offspring is uncontional love. Not any of this benefits BS cause that ruins and changes the relationship from one of love to just being a **** buddy.

[rez]

Don't worry we all make mistakes

Well the instinctive imperative you have is not to propagate with your family as it will result in bad mojo - or the royal family.

Basically im saying thats why you feel wrong in that situation. Though a scientist around here may just boot my theory out the window pretty soon.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Then, rez, why don't you have sex with your mother whilst using contraception? Personally, I don't even talk about things like that, so this is my last post in this thread

[Garbarsardar]

Then, rez, why don't you have sex with your mother whilst using contraception? Personally, I don't even talk about things like that, so this is my last post in this thread

Is it clear for anyone how strong is the incest taboo?

That said, there are many differences between eras and societies on incest; Some incest prohibitions relate to sexual acts - others to marriage. In some cases, incest is mandatory or prohibited, according to the social class (Bali, Papua New Guinea, Polynesian and Melanesian islands). In others, the Royal House started a tradition of incestuous marriages, which was later imitated by lower classes (Ancient Egypt, Hawaii, Pre-Columbian civilizations). Some societies are more tolerant of consensual incest than others (Japan, India until the 1930's, Australia).
http://www.ablongman.com/html/hensli...er/ahead3.html

And I think we should diferentiate, between inbreeding which is related to procreation and genetic mutations as rez said, and incest describing a sexual activity. Of course inbreeding and incest are related but not identical. In the inbreeding taboo, it is biology that dictates avoidance, while incestuous eroticism is rather a psychological feature.

if you have the time:http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...8/ai_n13810110

[RazorOutlaw]

That is the point I was going to bring up...incest isn't much of a big deal with modern contraception, if the fear is of horrible mutations. So why not?

[rez]

"Then, rez, why don't you have sex with your mother whilst using contraception?"

Because the same base instinct is there.

I believe the genetic imperative to procreate is directed away from your family.

Thats why we instinctively look down on incest. And because the word "incest" sounds so nasty

[Somethindarker]

mutated children.... well not really mutated but dumber and less likely to be a smart average person. mixing genes that are the same is like putting 2 magnets together, they don't mesh right . anyway thats MHO and the last i'll ever post in this particular thread.

[RazorOutlaw]

"Then, rez, why don't you have sex with your mother whilst using contraception?"

Because the same base instinct is there.

I believe the genetic imperative to procreate is directed away from your family.

Thats why we instinctively look down on incest. And because the word "incest" sounds so nasty

Hmm, interesting. Why do you believe that?

[rez]

Evolution mate, like we instinctively have the urge to run when when frightened, or put our head above water when drowning. (its true just try and drown yourself without assistance)

Our instincts point us away from incest because of the concequences

[Jesus The Inane]

Evolution mate, like we instinctively have the urge to run when when frightened, or put our head above water when drowning. (its true just try and drown yourself without assistance)

Our instincts point us away from incest because of the concequences

Indeed, but even so this doesn't mean that having sex with your mom/dad is morally wrong. Just like we have manage to control our violent side, so we too can come to conquer the feeling of "its wrong" to have sex with your parents. Its wrong to have children with your parents because the mutations side, or so it goes... but another thing is to have sex.

I don't think theres nothing wrong with having sex with your parents, aslong as you and them understand what you are doing; because once you understand what and why you are doing such a deed, then you won't have mental problems about it. Once you are above societies morals.

[AngryTitusPullo]

1. It's a No No and a sin for all religions.
2. It's still a No No for accepted current morality since ages.
3. There are many other permissable women fot you to have sexual intercourse with. I hope you're not that desperate to have those kind of thought.

[internationalist]

Indeed, but even so this doesn't mean that having sex with your mom/dad is morally wrong. Just like we have manage to control our violent side, so we too can come to conquer the feeling of "its wrong" to have sex with your parents. Its wrong to have children with your parents because the mutations side, or so it goes... but another thing is to have sex.

I don't think theres nothing wrong with having sex with your parents, aslong as you and them understand what you are doing; because once you understand what and why you are doing such a deed, then you won't have mental problems about it. Once you are above societies morals.

Well there actually is a bio-chemical response to your own family's "pheremones" i.e. their body odor. Human beings are naturally more repulsed by their relatives than the odor of others. As to morally, when incest occurs, it is typically non-consensual, which immediately gives a moral disincentive. As to consensual sex with your mother, why would you even want to do that?

[MaximiIian]

As to consenstual sex with your mother, why would you even want to do that?

Okay, just substitute "mother" with "cousin". That's more likely to occur, anyway, and less " " to discuss.

[LiciniusII]

this is a bit off topic, but how come there are genetic mutations amoung the offspring of two closely related parents?

edit: or should I say how does that happen?

[rez]

sorry i didnt realise we were talking morally. i was just looking at arguing against incest in general

"I don't think theres nothing wrong with having sex with your parents, aslong as you and them understand what you are doing; because once you understand what and why you are doing such a deed, then you won't have mental problems about it. Once you are above societies morals."

Good point but id still never be comfortable with it as my instincts would make me want to throw up

[Jesus The Inane]

Rez, how come you always quote in that fashion?

Well, I suppose its a question of taste... or maybe not... maybe its a question of sexual preferences... or just maybe its a question of love...