Historical Rome Total War 1.0 (HRTW) [WIP]

[Macedon1an]

Welcome back Primo !!!! I'm sorry to hear about the accident, but i'm happy you are fine and now ready to help us with the mod ! Welcome back again !

[Spike]

not because Nightmare Moon is no more, as you allready revert to Princess Luna?

[Skull]

not because Nightmare Moon is no more, as you allready revert to Princess Luna?

:|

[RonaldAniban]

How's the progress of this mod? Can you guys express it in %? I'm getting impatient XD

[Primo]

How's the progress of this mod? Can you guys express it in %? I'm getting impatient XD

I can´t express it in %, but I can give you a hint as to when we will release:

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When it´s done.

[RonaldAniban]

I can´t express it in %, but I can give you a hint as to when we will release:

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When it´s done.

You got me D:

[ahowl11]

haha, It will be awhile, we are trying to make sure everything is right, we just don't want to rush this mod together

[RonaldAniban]

haha, It will be awhile, we are trying to make sure everything is right, we just don't want to rush this mod together

But uhmm...Can you please consider my requests?
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• Realistic Wedge Mechanics
• Not very long battles (meaning you are able to kill a surrounded general in less than 5 seconds)
• Not too much 2 HP units (in some mods there are many 2 HP units, and most of those units can survive arrows shot from 2 meters, and some of those units don't even have shields/armor. Who are they, Achiles's clones?)
• Good Battle AI (Darth has done wonders in it)
• Realistic Traits
• Faster Animation Triggers (so people won't stare at their enemies for like 10 seconds before stabbing)

BTW, my request about legionaries throwing their pila while in melee is actually historically accurate after all for it is stated in many sites that those legionaries in the back rows throw their pila while those in the front rows are fighting. So...nevermind that.

[ahowl11]

Your list will definitely be taken into consideration

[Primo]

Your list will definitely be taken into consideration

Apart from the Wedge Mechanics, of course. They are hardcoded, like all formations.

[RonaldAniban]

Apart from the Wedge Mechanics, of course. They are hardcoded, like all formations.

Yah. But in RTR they made Cavalries able to attack while running, just like what Alexander did in real life. In vanilla cavalries won't attack units beside them when ordered to run, thus preventing the real usage of Wedge. I don't know about Alexander.exe though. In History Channel's Decisive Battles you can see how Alexander used Wedge.

[RonaldAniban]

After a long time of testing different mods, I finally came up with an idea on how to fix Wedge (BTW in RTR it is not really fully fixed).

What if it would be like this:
When you command cavalries to attack, they will do the "Charging" animation even from very long distances (like an edge of the map to another edge of the map) but with reduced movement speed. With that, cavalries will be like armoured vehicles steamrolling everyone in their path (except phalangites), so I also suggest lowering their melee defense so that infantries who are strong enough may be able to stop the charge. They must not also be flying easily like ragdolls (that's the case in vanilla) to make units better at holding them off.

With all these, Wedge Formation may perform realistically, but only on units who block the designated target of the horsemen because in vanilla when you charge a unit while in wedge, they will stop the "Charging" animation when 3-6 horsemen (those in front) hit their target, unlike in history where they continue running and therefore "cutting" through the lines of those who they run through. So what I suggest is to make cavalries who are charging at infantries (1 unit card vs 1 unit card) in wedge formation stop "Charging" ONLY WHEN AT LEAST MORE THAN HALF OF THE CAVALRIES have already penetrated or hit (they should mostly die if they can't penetrate because it just simply means that the units they are charging are strong enough to hold them off) their lines, so that Wedge will have its realistic role (penetrating into the enemies' lines). I don't know if it's code-able though.

But then there is also one problem. What if you want your cavalries only to charge through the gaps of the enemy infantries? In that case, your cavalries won't be able to do the charging animation because there are no units to be attacked between the gaps of their lines (unless there's a unit behind the gap) thus, doing no casualties at all because their spears are all raised up when they run. So what I suggest here is to make cavalries attack those who they run through, even if their unit description says "Marching". That's what they did in RTR.

Sorry for bugging you guys. I just want battles to be realistic. If you managed to make it "realistic enough" I'll do my very best to promote this mod.

[Spike]

@Ronald Aniban
too much ideas and things = too much confusion

just an advice

[RonaldAniban]

@Ronald Aniban
too much ideas and things = too much confusion

just an advice

I facepalmed myself when I figured out that Wedge performs realistically with RomeTWAlex.exe
Or maybe it's just because of XGM?

[El Santo Padre]

I facepalmed myself when I figured out that Wedge performs realistically with RomeTWAlex.exe
Or maybe it's just because of XGM?

What do you mean by "reallistically"? If you mean that the encircle your formations yeah, it's ALX magic on scene

[RonaldAniban]

What do you mean by "reallistically"?

Read my posts above.

[Sephardi Swordsman]

You guys included the Nabateans but not the Hasmoneans?

[Macedon1an]

You guys included the Nabateans but not the Hasmoneans?

The Nabatean Kingdom was older than the Hasmonean dynasty (which, at first, ruled semi-indipendant with Judea under Seleucid rule) and fits more with the concept of the mod.

[ahowl11]

And actually we have changed the faction list again, on the org. This thread is for an older version of the mod

[Gandalfus]

Could you do ethnic traits? like romans get better command and Influence, but are arrogant towards other races so they get more unrest. and eastern factions are better at commanding cavalry but are more likely to be "inferior infantry commanders", greeks are better with infantry and management, and so on and so forth.

EDIT: could you perhaps provide a link to the other forum? so I can look in the other one so i can update on the faction list sorry for wasting time.