Its a girl!....the parthenogenesis of jesus
lets say we believe the fairy tail of jesus parthenogenesis...
as we know the sex of humen and most mammals is determined by the X and Y chromosomes, which each individual has one pair of them
females have 2 same X chromosomes (XX) and men have one X and one Y chromosome (XY) which the offsprings receive from their parents
so if the offspring inherits the Y from his father will become a male, but if he inherits the X will become a female
no matter what for sure he will have one X (from his mother)
naturally it seems unlikely that the offsprings of a possible parthenogenesis from a female (gynecogenesis/gynogenesis) can have any X sex chromosome, so they will be females as well!
due to the logical reason that the offspring inherits ONLY X chromosomes since he doesnt have any access to Y chromosomes at allgynogenesis
"The development of an embryo that contains only maternal chromosomes because the egg has been activated by sperm without fusion of the egg and sperm nuclei"
parthenogenesis is a phenomenon which does occur in nature though its unusual for mammals...
the artificial parthenogenesis of mammals has become doable in lab, but not for humen beings
however i read here that natural parthenogenesis has probable happened to humen
assuming that the myth of joshua was any true then naturally he should had been bornt a girl!In cases of parthenogenesis (virgin birth), an ovum starts to divide by itself without fertilization, producing an embryo in which the paternal chromosomes may be replaced by a duplication of maternal ones. This asexual reproductive method is rare among warm-blooded vertebrates but more common among invertebrates. Pathological parthenogenesis has been observed in higher animals, such as the frog, fowl, and certain mammals. Parthenogenesis usually gives rise to female offspring or sometimes an abnormal male.
In 1900 Jacques Loeb accomplished the first clear case of artificial parthenogenesis when he pricked unfertilized frog eggs with a needle and found that in some cases normal embryonic development ensued. In 1936 Gregory Pincus induced parthenogenesis in mammalian (rabbit) eggs by temperature change and chemical agents
There is some evidence, however, that natural parthenogenesis does occasionally occur in humans
In 1956 the medical journal Lancet published a report concerning 19 alleged cases of virgin birth among women in England, who were studied by members of the British Medical Association. The six-month study convinced the investigators that human parthenogenesis was physiologically possible and had actually occurred in some of the women studied [3]
...or an abnormal man with XX chromosomes which can exist like an abnormal male or a hermaphrodite, who looked like a man but wasnt a real one! (less likely alternative than first option)
there arent any other possible options, forget about them
the case of abnormal male with XX chromosome seems that exists since its mentioned in those scientifical articles and studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/d....cgi?id=278850
this can xplains why the carpenter joshua had such a great regard for all types of eunuchs and that he never got married himself (though the jewish law demanded that) and never is supposed to had any sex (maybe he didnt poccess the "equipement" in the first place as the natural procedure of parthenogenesis reassure us) :laughing:
also it gives a good reason why for first time in human history, a constitution (christianity) started showing so great hate against the male and female genitals (the world was unfamiliar with such unworldly approaches on human anatomy and physical functions until then)
...probable its founder had something against it and celibacy/chastity were promoted as a natural behavior and virtue for the believers of tha faith
mathew gospel 19 : 12 (my favorite quote)
so theists face the truth revealed here, your imaginary deity cant be a true male if he is product of parthenogenesis like the "holy" scripts claim or the lord just didnt send his son on earth with all the equipement he needed to live like a normal guy! :laughing:But he (Joshua) said unto them, All [men] cannot receive this saying, save [they] to whom it is given.
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it].
and on the other hand, if he is not product of parthenogenesis then his mother, mariam, cant be virgin and joshua father isnt "god" but a human jew, a roman soldier (panther) as it was rumored or anything else but god...
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and after googling out of curiosity i see that not only me have such thoughts but also but christian scientists as well made a similar approach (though their faith in religion doesnt let them see the truth which is somewhat different than what they argue)
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1983/JASA9-83Kessel.html
!!!The following statements constitute a plausible biological scenario for Jesus during embryological development. (1) God's activity in which he accomplished the Virgin Conception and Virgin Birth is describable in terms of natural created processes. (2) Jesus' conception, gestation, and birth were parthenogenetic. (3) Nonsexual God was incarnated into the human race as a female. (4) Jesus was not only conceived as a female but remained chromosomally such throughout life. (5) Through the natural process of sex reversal Jesus became male, not instead of female but as well as female, assuming the phenotype of a man while retaining the chromosomal badge of a woman. (6) Thus Jesus was born and lived as the androgynous Christ.
From the viewpoint of a biological interpretation of the Virgin Conception- Birth story of the Scriptures, parthenogenesis (reproduction by a virgin) seems to have been the basic natural process that God used to accomplish the physical aspects of the Incarnation. Such virgin birth among animals has been known for centuries. In fact, "the Greeks supported belief in occasional parthenogenesis in human beings by pointing out how widespread among animals was this method of conception.!!!Through the natural process of sex reversal Jesus became male, not instead of female but as well as female, assuming the phenotype of a man while retaining the chromosomal badge of a woman.
This explanation proposes that God's activity by which he accomplished the Virgin Conception and Virgin Birth is describable in terms of natural created processes. In this case the process was virgin birth which, translated into biological terminology, is parthenogenesis.71 If Mary's conception of Jesus was parthenogenetic, the Holy Spirit may have provided by some natural means the triggering environmental stimulus, e.g., simple cold shock that worked so well in animal studies. According to our biological interpretation of the Virgin Birth, Jesus' conception was parthenogenetic, and because human beings have the same X-Y kind of sex determination found in other mammals, with the female homozygous and possessing two X chromosomes, Jesus was conceived as a chromosomal female.!!!In concluding this proposal, the following thoughts deserve emphasis: (1) The biological deduction from Scripture that Jesus was conceived as a female is based on the scientific knowledge that virgin-conceived offspring are chromosomal females. (2) Therefore the scriptural information that Jesus was born a male requires sex reversal to have occurred. (3) Having used the natural biological process of parthenogenesis to give Jesus chromosomal femaleness, God again used a natural biological mechanism to add the complementary sexual quality of maleness. This time God used the biological process of sex reversal which is fully supported by the known facts of genetics that have been described. (4) But in expanding the sexual identification of Jesus to include maleness, God did not strip away femaleness. Chromosomal femaleness was not involved in sex reversal; every cell continued to have its XX identification of womankind. (5) Thus the female embryo Jesus of the Virgin Conception and Incarnation became the two-sexed Infant of the Virgin Birth who was the androgynous Christ, bearing both the chromosomal identificaton of a woman and the phenotypic anatomy of a man. (6) If this proposal is correct, the inequity of the sexes taught under the Old Covenant has been transcended and no one can longer argue effectively against the ordination of women in the Church on the grounds that Christ was a man. Christ was also a woman.
]these are words of respectful and faithful christians scientists (from the States it seems), not mine
http://www.asa3.org:16080/ASA/
Originally Posted by MoROmeTe
