Pontus ?

**invictus** · November 04, 2011, 07:21 PM

Hey all, I seem to recall Pontus having a reform. Yet when looking a the faq's i see nothing. If so what are their conditions? Thanks, -Leon

**The_Blacksmith** · November 04, 2011, 09:02 PM

they have the late bodyguard, which the get with the march of time EC: huge city in italy

**Entropy Judge** · November 04, 2011, 11:15 PM

Huge Roman city in Italy - if the Romans are wiped out too early, or driven out and never allowed back in, no March of Time will occur.

**invictus** · November 04, 2011, 11:31 PM

Darn here i thought they get the Persian reforms. Alrighty thanks, -Leon

**RedGuard** · November 05, 2011, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by invictus

Darn here i thought they get the Persian reforms. Alrighty thanks, -Leon

no just armenia i believe

**the persian Immortal** · November 05, 2011, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by RedGuard

no just armenia i believe

good point , why does armania gets persian reforms and pontus don't ??

I mean pontus are closer to persians then armanians right ??? actually parthians could also get a persian reform although that wouldn't be historically acurate.

**~~The Kybrothilian~~** · November 05, 2011, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by the persian Immortal

good point , why does armania gets persian reforms and pontus don't ??

I mean pontus are closer to persians then armanians right ??? actually parthians could also get a persian reform although that wouldn't be historically acurate.

The Pontic leaders weren't fancying with the idea, I suppose.

**Boriak** · November 06, 2011, 02:59 AM

I think we will get to see something new on the reform front in EB2.

**TWWolfe** · November 06, 2011, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by the persian Immortal

good point , why does armania gets persian reforms and pontus don't ??

I mean pontus are closer to persians then armanians right ??? actually parthians could also get a persian reform although that wouldn't be historically acurate.

I think it has more to do with how much cultural crossing there was. Armenia didn't have nearly as much greek influence on it, and was much closer to the heart of the persian empire than Pontus.

Pontus was close to the main greek city-states, and its rulers were greek. it makes sense that it would lean more towards the greeks than the persians.

**~~The Kybrothilian~~** · November 06, 2011, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by TWWolfe

Pontus was close to the main greek city-states, and its rulers were greek. it makes sense that it would lean more towards the greeks than the persians.

Ahem, Pontus was ruled by Persian satraps. you might have meant that they were influenced by hellenism.

**Drtad** · November 07, 2011, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by TWWolfe

I think it has more to do with how much cultural crossing there was. Armenia didn't have nearly as much greek influence on it, and was much closer to the heart of the persian empire than Pontus.

Armenia had quite a bit of Greek influence since the rise of the Seleucids (their kings issued coins with Greek inscriptions starting in the 3rd-2nd centuries BC). Pontic rulers were Persian, while Armenian rulers were... well the royal dynasty originated in Bactria, but they had ruled over Armenia (satraps then kings) since it was incorporated into the Achaemenid Empire.

I don't have a problem with the way this is done in EB, I'm just pointing out a few things.