View Poll Results: Which Republican candidate would you vote for?

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  • Mitt Romney

    37 11.53%
  • Newt Gingrich

    13 4.05%
  • Ron Paul

    125 38.94%
  • Rick Santorum

    18 5.61%
  • I'd vote for none of them

    108 33.64%
  • I don't care.

    20 6.23%
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    Apparently, the whole delegate count is bogus. Even in the cases where it says pledge it doesn't mean they're bound to vote for that candidate or so I understand in that way. So, instead of putting here a useless counter I'm gonna post a plea instead.

    How do the delegate counts determined?
    Where is a place to know the real count?
    Why do major news networks is apparently incorrect counts?

    In the meantime so far these candidates dropped out:
    Gary Johnson
    Herman Cain
    Michelle Bachman
    Jon Huntsman
    Rick Perry
    Rick Santorum
    Newt Gingrich


    These candidates remain in the race:
    Mit Romney
    Ron Paul
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    Taken from here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11802187 bear in mind it's slightly out of date and is only a general (emphasis this) overview of each candidate. But it's a good basis to start from.

    Mit Romney

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    Mitt Romney, the wealthy former governor of Massachusetts, officially launched his second bid for the Republican presidential nomination on a farm in New Hampshire in June.

    He enters the fray as the presumed front-runner, placing at or near the top in early polling.

    Mr Romney, son of former Michigan Governor George Romney, made his first bid for the presidency in 2008, after earning a fortune in corporate strategy and private equity.

    But his considerable resources (he spent about $35m [Ł21.4m] of his own money before dropping out in February 2008) were not enough to overcome what others perceived as inconsistent messages, policy shifts and questions about his authenticity as a conservative.

    Mr Romney seems to have learned lessons from 2008, and is casting himself as a serious grown-up in a Republican Party characterised in the 2010 mid-term elections by grassroots anger.

    After his 2008 defeat, Mr Romney cautiously courted important political figures in key early primary states, including South Carolina and New Hampshire, the state he now calls home.

    He raised money for many congressional and gubernatorial candidates - earning him much goodwill in the party - and has developed a reputation for being hard-working and loyal.

    His financial expertise and impressive economic record in private industry, particularly in turning around troubled businesses, could be an asset if the economy continues to be the dominant issue in 2012.

    But Mr Romney has several hurdles to overcome. As governor of the generally liberal state of Massachusetts, he reformed the state healthcare system - an overhaul that looks remarkably similar to the one President Barack Obama signed in 2010 in the face of united Republican opposition.

    One of Mr Romney's first policy speeches of the 2012 campaign was devoted to explaining that although he believed the overhaul was right for Massachusetts, he would repeal it on a national level if elected president.

    Mr Romney's Mormon roots could also present an issue, as the Republican primary contests in Iowa and South Carolina tend to be dominated by evangelical Christian conservatives who may be uncomfortable with his faith.


    Rick Perry

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    Rick Perry may have entered the race later than his rivals but he has spent months raising money in Texas, where he has been governor for 10 years.

    Although yet to formally declare - that is expected to happen on Saturday in South Carolina - he and his team indicated this week they have their eyes firmly on the White House.

    His mantra is small government and he can boast that he balanced the books in the second largest state in the US, although critics complain at the scale of resulting spending cuts, especially in education.

    A deepy religious man, Mr Perry sealed his popularity among Christian evangelicals when he led a prayer rally attended by 30,000 people in Houston in early August.

    So he can unite two strong powerbases of the Republican party - the fiscal hawks and the social conservatives.

    Whether he can unseat Mitt Romney as front-runner or drain support from the other Tea Party favourite Michele Bachmann, who occupies similar political ground, remains to be seen.

    But his ability to fire up the Republican base - a la Bachmann - will energise the race.


    Michelle Bachman

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    The Minnesota congresswoman, a favourite of the Tea Party, used the first televised debate in New Hampshire to formally announce that she was entering the contest.

    She is an outspoken conservative who has been spending time in the early primary states.

    The fiery Ms Bachmann has a small core of staunch support and observers believe that she could draw a lot of votes from Sarah Palin's fan base if the former Alaska governor does not run.

    The Iowa-born 55-year-old has a law degree and worked as a tax attorney, and she has fostered 23 children.


    Newt Gingrich

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    Mr Gingrich, the former speaker of the House of Representatives, announced he was running against Mr Obama in 2012 on YouTube, Twitter, and in an interview on Fox News.

    Since he left office 12 years ago, Mr Gingrich has build a broad network of conservative businesses and non-profit organisations, generating films, books and position papers, and has sought to align himself as an elder statesman and a creative source of conservative policy ideas.

    He remains widely respected in the party for leading congressional Republicans out of 40 years in opposition in 1994, although he lost the speaker's gavel in 1998 after the party took significant losses.

    But his chances took a serious knock when senior members of his campaign team walked out, citing differences over strategy.

    There were previous hiccups too, like his attack on a plan popular among Republicans to slash and privatise a healthcare programme for the elderly.

    Mr Gingrich can be both inflammatory and irascible - qualities Americans do not tend to see as presidential - and has a long record of undiplomatic quotes.

    His three marriages may also haunt him in a 2012 campaign. His first wife has accused him of divorcing her while she was in hospital recovering from cancer.

    Mr Gingrich was having an affair with a staffer (whom he later married) while he was leading the charge to impeach former President Bill Clinton over his affair with Monica Lewinsky.


    Ron Paul

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    The Texas congressman has won a devoted following among libertarian-minded Republicans with his calls for a return to the gold standard, the abolition of the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Service, and his staunch opposition - unusual in the Republican Party - to the war in Iraq and to American militarism in general.

    Supporters of Mr Paul, an obstetrician, gained a reputation during the 2008 race for their enthusiasm for the candidate - as well as for their practice of disrupting rival candidates' rallies and press conferences.

    Some of his backers also became known for espousing far-out conspiracy theories, such as the suggestion the US government was behind the 11 September 2001 terror attacks, tainting his movement in the eyes of the mainstream Republican electorate.

    Mr Paul, 75, announced his candidacy in May in remarks that mixed anti-war cries with arguments for the legalisation of heroin and the end of federal flood and disaster insurance programmes.

    He will bring to the race a legion of devoted followers who can organise and raise funds.

    But to his detractors, Mr Paul is too eccentric and his ideas too fringe for them to take him seriously as a presidential hopeful.

    In July 2011, Mr Paul announced he would not stand again for his House seat, saying he wanted to remain focused on his presidential bid.


    Jon Huntsman

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    The former governor of Utah joins the race for the Republican presidential nomination with a distinct, if awkward, qualification: he worked for the other side.

    As ambassador to China for two years under President Barack Obama, he has arguably the most foreign policy expertise of the Republican field.

    But it remains to be seen whether or not that experience - which he defends as loyal service to the country rather than the president's policies - will be an advantage to Mr Huntsman in his bid to succeed the man who appointed him.

    Jon Huntsman, 51, is the motorcycle-driving son of billionaire Jon Huntsman Sr, who founded a large chemical manufacturer.

    He dropped out of high school to play keyboard in a rock band, later finishing school and graduating from the University of Pennsylvania. He also served as a Mormon missionary in Taiwan, and is said to speak fluent Mandarin.

    His tone has been markedly more moderate than that of his rivals, and he has in the past backed civil unions for same-sex couples and said he believes in the science of climate change.

    Since he spent the last two years outside the country, he must now introduce himself to Republican voters who have been steeped in the angry, stridently anti-government Tea Party movement.

    Some analysts have suggested Mr Huntsman aims to be the adult in the race, rejecting his rivals' crowd-pleasing attacks on Mr Obama while counselling the US must make hard choices to rein in the national debt.
    But it remains to be seen whether after four years of Mr Obama in the White House, Mr Huntsman will satisfy voters.


    Rick Santorum

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    The former Pennsylvania Senator hopes to capitalise on his solid social conservative credentials, but he last appeared on the ballot in 2006, when lost his re-election bid by 17 points.

    Polls this time around have shown him a distant seventh place in the race but that was before the televised debate in Iowa, when he came out fighting.

    He attacked Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann with a gusto previously kept under wraps, but he has a lot of ground to make up on the front-runners.


    Herman Cain

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    The former CEO of a pizza chain entered the race formally in May.

    He appeared on the same platform as the leading contenders at the debate in New Hampshire and again in Iowa, which were two opportunities for him to introduce himself to many Americans for the first time.

    But in neither debate did he really make his mark, and remarks he once made that suggested he would be fearful of hiring a Muslim, in case they were a terrorist, have come back to haunt him.


    Whilst i know you dislike Wikipedia this page:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republi...rimaries,_2012

    gives an excellent overview and has links to all the main candidates respective pages, which should cover their views.
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    Funny how Ron Paul is the only real Republican/Conservative on that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    Funny how Ron Paul is the only real Republican/Conservative on that list.
    Dude you cant call someone a "Real" whatever because the term "real" is relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    Funny how Ron Paul is the only real Republican/Conservative on that list.
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    1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities. Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens. Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, and H.J.RES.42.

    2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392

    3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.” Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720

    4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes.He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary

    5. Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment. Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936

    6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations. Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.”Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154

    7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens. This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.

    8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns. One of Paul’s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn’t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I’m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47′s and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.” (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he’s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096, H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.

    9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system. The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn’t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government “from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.” In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to “prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.” So basically the federal government can’t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!Remember his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It “Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.” Without thinking about this statement it doesn’t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don’t you think?

    10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state. This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.” (( Koyaanisqatsi Blog: Wrong Paul Why I Do Not Want Ron Paul to be My President )) Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.

    So there you have it, my 10 reasons not to vote for Ron Paul. Please take the time to thoroughly review the records of the people running for office so you know where they really stand. Ron Paul has good rhetoric and he opposes the war but he’s not a good man in the human rights sense of the phrase. He is pretty much like every other Republican but more insidious. Here is a video that you should watch after reading this article. Really listen to what he says and how he says it. Watch out for the sneaky ones and RESEARCH! ((Orcinus: Ron Paul’s Record in Congress ))

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    Well it depends on how you define conservative. They're all conservatives, but Ron Paul seems to be the only one who is both socially libertarian as well as economically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Their Law View Post
    Well it depends on how you define conservative. They're all conservatives, but Ron Paul seems to be the only one who is both socially libertarian as well as economically.
    But if you look at Romney's record, he's fairly moderate socially. Maybe not as much as Ron Paul, but definitely more than any of the other candidates. His recent rhetoric is mainly just to win the primaries.
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    Ron Paul seems to be the only one advocating small government which is supposedly what the Republicans should be standing for. I might not agree with deregulation and conservative fiscal policy (mind you I'm not the most informed on this topic so my opinion isn't worth much) but at least he isn't a total up in regards to social and foreign policy like the rest of the republicans are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    Ron Paul seems to be the only one advocating small government which is supposedly what the Republicans should be standing for. I might not agree with deregulation and conservative fiscal policy (mind you I'm not the most informed on this topic so my opinion isn't worth much) but at least he isn't a total up in regards to social and foreign policy like the rest of the republicans are.
    One thing I don't like about some Republicans is their insistance on small government only to turn around and advocate that abortions should be banned and that homosexuality should also be opposed/ banned as well. I mean, if you say you support a limited government and that you love your liberties, you can't turn around and request draconian like anti-abortion laws.

    And let us not go into what party gave the US the 'Patriot Act'. Yes, the Democrats are just as guilty by not repealing it, but it's quite odd that the party that claims to be the party of small government and pro-liberty introduced such legislation.

    'tis silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malzahar View Post
    One thing I don't like about some Republicans is their insistance on small government only to turn around and advocate that abortions should be banned and that homosexuality should also be opposed/ banned as well. I mean, if you say you support a limited government and that you love your liberties, you can't turn around and request draconian like anti-abortion laws.
    None of the leading Republican candidates think that homosexuality should be banned. Some of them think that same-sex marriage should be banned, but that is Obama's position as well, and has been the position of other recent Democratic candidates. Bill Clinton was the president who actually signed the Defence of Marriage Act.

    As for abortion, Romney and Cain have both given indications that they are really pro-choice, but of course have back-tracked publicly and now say that they are pro-life. Ron Paul has always been pro-life (yes this is one issue on which he is not a good libertarian). Most of the candidates, including Paul, think that abortion should be handled at the state level, so they do not favour a Federal level ban or anything like that. Most of them favour over-turning Roe vs Wade and letting the states deal with it like any other issue.
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    Was there much change between Bush and Clinton. would there have been much of a difference between Mcain and Obama. They all sit on there asses doing nothing different. Democrat and Republican mean nothing. Does it matter who you elect?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyringo15 View Post
    Was there much change between Bush and Clinton. would there have been much of a difference between Mcain and Obama. They all sit on there asses doing nothing different. Democrat and Republican mean nothing. Does it matter who you elect?.
    Obama, McCain, and Romney, are just vanilla candidates only separated by rhetoric. Only complete idiots think they are actually different and would be different in policy. I always laugh at Romney people as in practice hes more liberal than Obama is most every way simply because he can use rhetoric to convince conservatives that they need to pass Obamas policies except without any compromises with the right.

    There was a difference between Bush and Clinton.
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    Odds are, Romney gets the nomination; if so, since the VP spot tends to attract clowns, Cain has an outside shot at it, as long as nothing really fatally embarrassing turns up.

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    Their all completely nuts and it tells allot about the state of a country that this is all they have running.

    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Odds are, Romney gets the nomination; if so, since the VP spot tends to attract clowns, Cain has an outside shot at it, as long as nothing really fatally embarrassing turns up.
    I think lying about how much you paid to settle a sexual harassment case is pretty much as fatally embarrassing as it gets. Well at least outside France and Italy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    Their all completely nuts and it tells allot about the state of a country that this is all they have running.
    Well, yes. They all seem to be Christian theocratic morons.
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    @B-DizL: You like to answer questions that are already answered don't you?

    @Their Law: The BBC page only covers how the candidates got into the race and their past. The Wiki doesn't provide the information I want a well. What I want is to see their views on abortion, immigration, taxes, troops overseas, Iran, Israel, and other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    @Their Law: The BBC page only covers how the candidates got into the race and their past. The Wiki doesn't provide the information I want a well. What I want is to see their views on abortion, immigration, taxes, troops overseas, Iran, Israel, and other stuff.
    That's going to be tricky as it's kind of a given during a primary that the candidates are going to be a vague as possible over contentious issues simply to appeal to the largest possible base.
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    @Their Law: The BBC page only covers how the candidates got into the race and their past. The Wiki doesn't provide the information I want a well. What I want is to see their views on abortion, immigration, taxes, troops overseas, Iran, Israel, and other stuff.
    "Vauge and Ambigous", would cover just about every candidates stance on every issue. Talking clearly about policy plans is a good way to tank a presidential campaign in the US, especially at this stage when the battle is still intra-party. Proposals that might win you the primary would lose you the general and vise-versa. And omipresent are the single issue voting groups which would could be alienated by concrete policy proposals. Better to let them assume you are on their side, then to "open your mouth and remove all doubt"

    But from even a more broad perspective, policy proposals in presidential campaigns generally never actually happen. For example, in a rare actual specific policy contrast in the Dem primaries last pres. election, Clinton was in favor of the individual mandate in healthcare reform, Obama was agaisnt it... need I say more. Samething with Bush and immigration reform, SS reform etc. US presidents just do not have firm control over domestic policy, and generally speaking foriegn policy is mostly reactive not proactive.
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