Revolution in the U.S.?

[HopliteGlory]

Hypothetical situation: Let's say that the Dems take the House, but not the Senate in the November elections. Then, the newly Democrat house decides to investigate the various scandals surrounding the current administration. Ok, then (hypothetically) hard edidence is found that Bush has broken the law or intentionally misled the American public and the House votes to impeach and sends it to the Republican Senate. It is here that the impeachment is nayed, despite the incrimination evidence. In this situation, with Congress NOT looking out for the people, would it be plausible for the citizens to make the next step and overthrow the government?

Or do you think that Republicans would further distance themselves from dubyah?

Remember, IF evidence is found.

[RusskiSoldat]

None of this can happen, especially not a revolution.
Americans are too used to the good life to get their hands dirty in civil strife.

[Carach]

None of this can happen, especially not a revolution.
Americans are too used to the good life to get their hands dirty in civil strife.

what russki said.

revolution isnt a feature in western nations anymore - at least not the conventional 'rise up and overthrow' ones.

[vizi]

None of this can happen, especially not a revolution.
Americans are too used to the good life to get their hands dirty in civil strife.

I just wanna fish damnit!

but yea Russki is correct, I don't want a revolution.

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eltrevo

Your statement was very true, while I was in South Bend Neo-Nazis held a rally in the north end of the metropolitian area I live near. There was a riot and a lot of stuff was destroyed and fires were started. Of course I went up there several days later to play poker with some co-workers and man was I getting some evil stares. At least about the racial tension that is. I don't know about a civil war, I just don't see that happening.

[John I Tzimisces]

Hypothetical situation: Let's say that the Dems take the House, but not the Senate in the November elections. Then, the newly Democrat house decides to investigate the various scandals surrounding the current administration. Ok, then (hypothetically) hard edidence is found that Bush has broken the law or intentionally misled the American public and the House votes to impeach and sends it to the Republican Senate. It is here that the impeachment is nayed, despite the incrimination evidence. In this situation, with Congress NOT looking out for the people, would it be plausible for the citizens to make the next step and overthrow the government?

Or do you think that Republicans would further distance themselves from dubyah?

Remember, IF evidence is found.

Thats a pretty frivolous reason to overthrow the govt, a president not being impeached. If he didn't *step down* in 2008 everyone would be up in arms, though.

[Lee1026]

Let us suppose that the evidence found is that Bush rigged the entire process in Ohio in 2004.
Then, if evidence is found, the repubulicans will just join in the chat of "Death to bush, Death to bush, death to bush." Remember Nixon?

[HopliteGlory]

This country was harshly divided by the '04 election. In my town, vandalism against Kerry supporters, pro-Bush church ministers, etc. However, this country is somewhat coming together on disfavor with Bush, as the polls suggest.

Remember, revolution/change can happen with mass protest. Is it really hard to believe that the President, if found to be guilty on various charges was let go without any consequence and the people not do anything about. I guess, in your view, maybe show their disapproval strongly in some poll?

[Publius]

Much of this depends on the severity of Bush's "crimes" in this instance. However, I think that the American populace, while maybe being a bit disgruntled, would never the less do what it always does - nothing. In terms of political activity, we are one of the most lethargic nations in the world simply because we have become so accustomed to our lavish, indulgent lifestyles. Unless there is something which directly threatens America's way of life, you aren't going to hear a peep. Hell, a 1 dollar rise in gas prices would probably have a greater effect than a Presidential scandal (even though most European countries pay above three times what we do at the pump)

[Ahiga]

Like someone said - Unless Bush refuses to step down in 2008, I don't foresee armed revolution.

[Garbarsardar]

The Senate will do anything to save their prestigious behinds in case they see the president going down...

That said, I would like very much to witness the scene when tons of SoyDecafGreenTeaMacciatos are poured in the waters of the Boston Harbor under the ecstatic eyes of the UnitedArabEmirates port authorities.

[Aemilianus]

I definitely don't foresee a revolution here- if Bush doesn't step down in 2008 he'll be arrested, and there won't need to be anything like that.

For some reason, though, I can see the Republicans doing that, blocking an impeachment. I also find it funny that Bush has committed several extralegal actions and claimed either a. "act of war" or b. "perfectly legal if you read it right" and the Senate says OK, nothing to see around here. There might be justification for asking some serious questions....but anyway I'm getting into realms of speculation. My point is, no, there will not be a revolution, even though there are likely grounds right now to get rid of Bush.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Even with a Democrat majority in the House they would only move to impech Bush if his general popularity was severly diminished. If this was the case then even a Republican majority in the Senate would not necesarilly save him. No Senator wants to be associated with an unpopular President on trial.

[dashizller]

Frankly the only way I see armed revolution is if a majority of the US supports some crazy proposal that gets passed.

[mike^_^]

while it is our duty as american citizens to throw off illegitimate governments, i wouldn't support an armed revolution frankly because most people in this country don't know their ass from their elbow in terms of real issues. they're too concerned with football and the price is right, humming the new corporate slogans as they go on their marry way to complete enslavement.

i will however do all means necessary to protect my livleyhood when the militarized police in black ski-masks come to force re-locate me and my family in a civil emergency.

[_GunneR_]

One issue of the election of 2004 a revolution would be unlikely as a revolution is a simply defined as a coup d'etat with mass popular protest, yet figures show that only around 50% of the population vote in America. What kind of mass is that? Call it lazy, call it content with the system it won't happen democracy as it is now has a few years left in it yet.

[hacker90]

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[LSJ]

I think any political dispute would be settled diplomatically and legally.
If Bush lost, he would have to step down for the sake of democracy. If he didn't, he would be forced. I seriously doubt he would do anything that goes against his speeches of "democracy across the globe".
If the Democrats won, and found evidence of a serious crime, he would go on trial with whoever else was involved and it would be settled in court. There could be an uproar, but the government that was corrupt would be gone then, so there would be no revolution.
One of the few situations I could see a revolution occurring in is if a ruling administration took away too many liberties, and starting outlawing communist political groups. People would be angry at having their freedom taken away, and if he didn't immediatly leave, there would definately be a revolution. Americans like their freedom and democracy (apart from random dictator wannabes and communist teens).
Even if the government went Hitler-style (ruin free democracy legally), the government would have to stop, unless they somehow got the support of the majority of the army, which I highly doubt is possible, as soldiers are citizens too, and the US is not in a depression.
Perhaps some decade there will be a depression, the people will elect a leader with Hitler-Politics to get them out of it, and there will be another famous revolution.

[RusskiSoldat]

The fact that hacker90 is allowed to have a shotgun may perhaps be the best possible argument against the second ammendment.

[hacker90]

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[Last Roman]

revolution? no way in hell. In fact if anything, the government will slowly take away more and more from us because the populace seems to become more and more apathetic about the government