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    U.S.-Russian relations seem to have been relatively quiet recently, as there are numerous contradictory views in Washington about the true nature of Russia’s current foreign policy. Doubts remain about the sincerity of the U.S. State Department’s so-called “reset” of relations with Russia — the term used in 2009 when U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton handed a reset button to her Russian counterpart as a symbol of a freeze on escalating tensions between Moscow and Washington. The concern is whether the “reset” is truly a shift in relations between the two former adversaries or simply a respite before relations deteriorate again.
    The reset actually had little to do with the United States wanting Russia as a friend and ally. Rather, Washington wanted to create room to handle other situations — mainly Afghanistan and Iran — and ask Russia for help. (Russia is aiding in moving supplies into Afghanistan and withholding critical support from Iran.) Meanwhile, Russia also wanted more room to set up a system that would help it create a new version of its old empire.
    Russia’s ultimate plan is to re-establish control over much of its former territories. This inevitably will lead Moscow and Washington back into a confrontation, negating any so-called reset, as Russian power throughout Eurasia is a direct threat to the U.S. ability to maintain its global influence. This is how Russia has acted throughout history in order to survive. The Soviet Union did not act differently from most of the Russian empires before it, and Russia today is following the same behavioral pattern.
    Geography and Empire-Building

    Russia’s defining geographic characteristic is its indefensibility, which means its main strategy is to secure itself. Unlike most powerful countries, Russia’s core region, Muscovy, has no barriers to protect it and thus has been invaded several times. Because of this, throughout history Russia has expanded its geographic barriers in order to establish a redoubt and create strategic depth between the Russian core and the myriad enemies surrounding it. This means expanding to the natural barriers of the Carpathian Mountains (across Ukraine and Moldova), the Caucasus Mountains (particularly to the Lesser Caucasus, past Georgia and into Armenia) and the Tian Shan on the far side of Central Asia. The one geographic hole is the North European Plain, where Russia historically has claimed as much territory as possible (such as the Baltics, Belarus, Poland and even parts of Germany). In short, for Russia to be secure it must create some kind of empire.
    There are two problems with creating an empire: the people and the economy. Because they absorb so many lands, Russian empires have faced difficulties providing for vast numbers of people and suppressing those who did not conform (especially those who were not ethnic Russians). This leads to an inherently weak economy that can never overcome the infrastructural challenges of providing for the population of a vast empire. However, this has never stopped Russia from being a major force for long periods of time, despite its economic drawbacks, because Russia often emphasizes its strong military and security apparatus more than (and sometimes at the expense of) economic development.
    Maintaining a Strong State

    Russian power must be measured in terms of the strength of the state and its ability to rule the people. This is not the same as the Russian government’s popularity (though former president and current Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s popularity is undeniable); it is the ability of the Russian leadership, whether czar, Communist Party or prime minister, to maintain a tight grip on society and security. This allows Moscow to divert resources from popular consumption to state security and to suppress resistance. If the government has firm control over the people, popular discontent over politics, social policies or the economy do not pose a threat to the state — certainly not in the short term.
    It is when the Russian leadership loses control over the security apparatus that Russian regimes collapse. For example, when the czar lost control of the army during World War I, he lost power and the Russian empire fell apart. Under Josef Stalin, there was massive economic dysfunction and widespread discontent, but Stalin maintained firm control over both the security apparatuses and the army, which he used to deal with any hint of dissent. Economic weakness and a brutal regime eventually were accepted as the inevitable price of security and of being a strategic power.
    Moscow is using the same logic and strategies today. When Putin came to power in 1999, the Russian state was broken and vulnerable to other global powers. In order to regain Russia’s stability — and eventually its place on the global stage — Putin first had to consolidate the Kremlin’s power within the country, which meant consolidating the country economically, politically and socially. This occurred after Putin reorganized and strengthened the security apparatuses, giving him greater ability to dominate the people under one political party, purge foreign influence from the economy and build a cult of personality among the people.
    Putin then set his sights on a Russian empire of sorts in order to secure the country’s future. This was not a matter of ego for Putin but a national security concern derived from centuries of historic precedent.
    Putin had just seen the United States encroach on the territory Russia deemed imperative to its survival: Washington helped usher most Central European states and the former Soviet Baltic states into NATO and the European Union; supported pro-Western “color revolutions” in Ukraine, Georgia and Kyrgyzstan; set up military bases in Central Asia; and announced plans to place ballistic missile defense installations in Central Europe. To Russia, it seemed the United States was devouring its periphery to ensure that Moscow would forever remain vulnerable.
    Over the past six years, Russia has pushed back to some degree against Western influence in most of its former Soviet states. One reason for this success is that the United States has been preoccupied with other issues, mostly in the Middle East and South Asia. Moreover, Washington has held the misconception that Russia will not formally attempt to re-create a kind of empire. But, as has been seen throughout history, it must.
    Putin’s Plans

    Putin announced in September that he would seek to return to the Russian presidency in 2012, and he has started laying out his goals for his new reign. He said Russia would formalize its relationship with former Soviet states by creating a Eurasia Union (EuU); other former Soviet states proposed the concept nearly a decade ago, but Russia is now in a position in which it can begin implementing it. Russia will begin this new iteration of a Russian empire by creating a union with former Soviet states based on Moscow’s current associations, such as the Customs Union, the Union State and the Collective Security Treaty Organization. This will allow the EuU to strategically encompass both the economic and security spheres.
    The forthcoming EuU is not a re-creation of the Soviet Union. Putin understands the inherent vulnerabilities Russia would face in bearing the economic and strategic burden of taking care of so many people across nearly 9 million square miles. This was one of the Soviet Union’s greatest weaknesses: trying to control so much directly. Instead, Putin is creating a union in which Moscow would influence foreign policy and security but would not be responsible for most of the inner workings of each country. Russia simply does not have the means to support such an intensive strategy. Moscow does not feel the need to sort through Kyrgyz political theater or support Ukraine’s economy to control those countries.
    The Kremlin intends to have the EuU fully formed by 2015, when Russia believes the United States will return its focus to Eurasia. Washington is wrapping up its commitments to Iraq this year and intends to end combat operations and greatly reduce forces in Afghanistan, so by 2015, the United States will have military and diplomatic attention to spare. This is also the same time period in which the U.S. ballistic missile defense installations in Central Europe will break ground. To Russia, this amounts to a U.S. and pro-U.S. front in Central Europe forming on the former Soviet (and future EuU) borders. It is the creation of a new version of the Russian empire, combined with the U.S. consolidation of influence on that empire’s periphery, that most likely will spark new hostilities between Moscow and Washington.
    This could set the stage for a new version of the Cold War, though it would not be as long-lived as the previous one. Putin’s other reason for re-establishing some kind of Russian empire is that he knows the next crisis to affect Russia most likely will keep the country from ever resurging again: Russia is dying. The country’s demographics are among some of the world’s worst, having declined steadily since World War I. Its birth rates are well below death rates, and it already has more citizens in their 50s than in their teens. Russia could be a major power without a solid economy, but no country can be a global power without people. This is why Putin is attempting to strengthen and secure Russia now, before demographics weaken it. However, even taking its demographics into account, Russia will be able to sustain its current growth in power for at least another generation. This means that the next few years likely are Russia’s last great moment — one that will be marked by the country’s return as a regional empire and a new confrontation with its previous adversary, the United States.


    What do you all think of this? I for one am glad that the Ruskies are getting back into the game. Terrorist running around in exploding rental cars just doesn't have the same flavor as the Iron Curtain.




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    Hey, let the Russians have their fun, I say. If Estonia and Latvia wants to join their EuU with minimal threatening (obvious, a bear stands right next to you and asks you to do something, there's always a bit of a threat involved) then be my guest. I don't understand what interests the U.S. has in the region anyway. Perhaps we'd be better served with a strong Russian ally, grateful that they don't have to worry about the US playing in the backyard. It might give us a bit of an edge, just in case the Chinese ever get to powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Juggernaut View Post
    I don't understand what interests the U.S. has in the region anyway.
    Isn't it obvious? It's to stop Russia from gaining too much influence in Central Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    Isn't it obvious? It's to stop Russia from gaining too much influence in Central Asia.
    And why do we care about Central Asia? The last time anything important came out of Kazakhstan was Tamerlane; it's been a while. We care about Central Asia to contain the Russians, and we contain the Russians out of concern for Central Asia. I'd rather give the Russians (who we don't owe half the country to) more power than the Chinese, and at this point I think we lack to resources to take care of such regions ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Juggernaut View Post
    Hey, let the Russians have their fun, I say. If Estonia and Latvia wants to join their EuU with minimal threatening (obvious, a bear stands right next to you and asks you to do something, there's always a bit of a threat involved) then be my guest.
    We'll be sure as hell to take as many of them with us into the grave as possible. I, for one, will rather die than join Russia. Not patriotism. Russia sucks.


    And this opinion is shared by every single Latvian person I know. I am sure the same goes for Estonia.

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    Belarus and Kazakhstan (maybe Kyrghizstan) are likely to be annexed without problems, beyond that there would be troubles.

    Ukraine is half pro-Russian, half nationalist. We could see a scenario where if Russia fails to a include the whole Ukraine in her Euroasian Empire (I mean Union, ) then Ukraine could be partitioned like this :



    The red zones are the rusophone and rusophile zones of Ukraine, while the yellow part is the nationalistic West. If we study more carefully the map we see that the Western limit of the "red" zone is Transnistria, exactly Republic of Moldova's secessionist rusophone territory occupied by the 14th Russian Army - so Russia marked from the begining the border of her ambitions.

    If EU and NAto start to desintegrate then Baltic States could be in trouble too, Russi needs her exist to Baltic Sea and Estonia and Latvia have large communities of Rusophones that could be used as pretext for Russia to intervene and occupy.

    In Caucasus we have already the precedent for the invasion of Georgia and her partitioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiviC View Post
    Belarus and Kazakhstan (maybe Kyrghizstan) are likely to be annexed without problems, beyond that there would be troubles.
    Annexation, seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    Annexation, seriously?
    Sorry, forgot to use Kremlin coined euphemisms, I meant "union" .

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    There are no doubts about Russian ambitions and strategic goals, though their capability of carrying them through has to viewed at a case by case basis and revisited at least every five years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    There are no doubts about Russian ambitions and strategic goals, though their capability of carrying them through has to viewed at a case by case basis and revisited at least every five years.
    Indeed, it seems now with all the global crisis the moment has arrived for Russia, but in two or three years if the crisis passes then Russia could be on the defensive again. It also depends on the determination of Russia to pursue her goals no matter what, because to much agressivness will result in a new mini Cold War with Russia isolated from Europe and the West. Now Europe and US have a sanitary cordon from Finland to Romania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiviC View Post
    Indeed, it seems now with all the global crisis the moment has arrived for Russia, but in two or three years if the crisis passes then Russia could be on the defensive again. It also depends on the determination of Russia to pursue her goals no matter what, because to much agressivness will result in a new mini Cold War with Russia isolated from Europe and the West. Now Europe and US have a sanitary cordon from Finland to Romania.
    It's hard to predict; I think the West will throw Ukraine to the wolves, a fate that Georgia is busy trying to avoid by building up a sympathetic PR image among the Western populations, and desperately attempting to get into European organizations, which sort of reminds me of those comedies where the woman is desperate to get married and her target is either clueless or reluctant.

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    Russia indefensible? It's the most defensible region in the world, since it can't be attacked by sea. There's thousands of miles of foreign territory between the Russian heartland (which contains all her natural resources) and the Indian, Pacific and Atlantic oceans, and the Arctic ocean is impassible. Russia is only vulnerable to attack from the west, since the main population centres are based there.

    Of course, none of that matters with the advent of ICBMs and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fishman View Post
    Russia indefensible? It's the most defensible region in the world, since it can't be attacked by sea. There's thousands of miles of foreign territory between the Russian heartland (which contains all her natural resources) and the Indian, Pacific and Atlantic oceans, and the Arctic ocean is impassible. Russia is only vulnerable to attack from the west, since the main population centres are based there.
    Yeah, well, STRATFOR is not really known for its deep thinking.

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    Russia’s defining geographic characteristic is its indefensibility, which means its main strategy is to secure itself. Unlike most powerful countries, Russia’s core region, Muscovy, has no barriers to protect it and thus has been invaded several times.
    Isnt this just thinking out dated?

    Surely with the benifit of air drops, fast moving vehicles, tanks that can manage 50+mph and intercontinental balistic missiles - distances arent as relavent anymore.

    So Russia could regain her empire and still be exactly as vulnerable as she ever was.

    Seems counter intuative to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maidel View Post
    Isnt this just thinking out dated?

    Surely with the benifit of air drops, fast moving vehicles, tanks that can manage 50+mph and intercontinental balistic missiles - distances arent as relavent anymore.

    So Russia could regain her empire and still be exactly as vulnerable as she ever was.

    Seems counter intuative to me.
    More importantly the same could be said about Berlin, Vienna, Paris, Madrid... all of those capitals have been invaded successfully by foreigners throughout history (in case of Berlin and Paris several times in a 200 year frame). If a state is weak, it is indefensible and strategic defense has been deterioating since the Napoleonic wars where the long siege battles of the past were virtually non existant and not stopping an army's advance anymore.
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    Bad rep and relations with neighbour will make for sure Russia vulnerable and a target. It's not about the security of Russia, it's about her imperial ambitions under the guise of "defense". How far should they "defend? Ukraine, Poland, Germany, France, Britain? It's never enough, every territory conquered for defense will need the next territory to defend the previous, they will take Ukraine to defend Russia, then Poland to defend Ukraine, then Germany to defend Poland, etc. etc.

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    Ukraine has switched between the Russian and West side. Now it's comfortably in the Russian side, but of course a switch could happen given a certain election outcome. So Ukraine is on the fence. Belarus is firmly in Russia's camp (unless there's a revolution or Putin upsets Lukashenko to much), the Baltic states are firmly anti-Russian, and Moldova seems to be edging closer to Romania and West. In the Caucasus, it's complicated as well, you have Georgia a firmly anti-Russian state, Armenia close ally of Russia, and Azerbaijan being on the fence similar to Ukraine. Central Asia is a bit more predictable, but here's a map I made to clear it up:

    Red (in Russia's camp), Yellow (on the fence), Blue (anti Russian camp)

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    Why is Armenia particularly pro-Russian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Why is Armenia particularly pro-Russian?
    Nagorno-Kharabakh, and for this reason I forgive them.

    I'm not sure abut Uzbekistan though being so firmly pro-Russian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Why is Armenia particularly pro-Russian?
    Because they have been historically the anti-Turkish force in the region.
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