Morale

[Zydrius]

Tried RTR VII as Getai as M/M but since difficulty settings don't affect morale that doesn't matter. Is it really supposed to be in this mod that enemy units rout even when less than half of them is killed? I mean you can kill 100 of enemy units and another 1000 slaughter while they're on rout. So battles 1:10 become pretty easy. Or would you say that I must play VH/VH? Anyway, I'm not fond of such weak morale system ;P.

[defendurname]

Change the battle difficulty to Hard or Very hard. If I remember correctly its hard-coded so Hard gives enemies +3attack and +3 morale and VH gives +7 attack and +7 morale.


However, I never really play at H or VH battle difficulty because its ridiculous when archers rout my cavalry in melee

[Spike]

and as far as I remember, Getai has some scary units as well, that was the reasons the enemies rout so fast...

(don't remember which one, but Spartan bodyguards are such terror inspiring unit as well)

if you want your enemy don't rout fast, try Romans or Carthaginians

[Nerouin]

Your Getai infantry will have issues against more heavily-armored infantry. The Getai shock infantry hits hard, but it can be cut through like butter by proper opponents. If you fight a battle against Rome, and if it's a slugfest in which your line of infantry goes up against theirs, don't expect your units` staying power to win the day. And if you do win, expect to lose a whole lot of soldiers.

[Spike]

Your Getai infantry will have issues against more heavily-armored infantry. The Getai shock infantry hits hard, but it can be cut through like butter by proper opponents. If you fight a battle against Rome, and if it's a slugfest in which your line of infantry goes up against theirs, don't expect your units` staying power to win the day. And if you do win, expect to lose a whole lot of soldiers.

hit em hard from the back, that's the trick, FLANKING FLANKING FLANKING!!!

[DarthLazy]

Actually playing as Carthage with absoloutely no fear units involved, just killing the general and the whole enemy line routs, even when outnumbering me 2v1 and battle odds overwhelmingly in their favour...

[Caligula Caesar]

Well, it is a rare army that stands and manages to win when their general has been killed... The morale of soldiers was often fragile and frequently unreasonable, so really, there's no problem there. I actually find many of the non-barbarian troops often hold far too long when completely surrounded. Barbarian troops tend to rout a lot faster, probably because they don't have as much armour and have looser formations, which don't seem to stand up to cavalry charges as well.

[DarthLazy]

But thats no good for battle difficulty against an already retarded AI is it ?

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Yes, it is normal for men to rout before any major casualties - because the casualties were inflicted on the rout. See any battle that ever happened.

[Caligula Caesar]

The Somme?

[Maurits]

That wasn't a battle, but an inferno

[DarthLazy]

Problem is representing that effect without completely crippling the AI in RTW.

[Spike]

Problem is representing that effect without completely crippling the AI in RTW.

remind me of vanilla, to balance the low morale for the AI (so you don't charge and enemy rout), you'll need to carry even lower morale troops

[Nerouin]

remind me of vanilla, to balance the low morale for the AI (so you don't charge and enemy rout), you'll need to carry even lower morale troops

Vanilla is a disaster. I remember routing the SPQR army 30 seconds after contact once.

[Spike]

heh, vanilla = first charge first win, in most of the case

[Alfonzo over Innsmouths]

I play as Getai on H/H.

The thing you need to realize with the Getai is, to me, the one that suits the definition of a 'barbarian' faction. The Getai rely entirely on breaking the enemy as quickly as possible, as opposed to other factions who wear down the enemy. Take the Gauls - they have Ambacti and Heavy spearmen supported by heavy cavalry (At least the Norici do - having to go up against full stacks of these buggers is difficult). In Hard mode they just refuse to die and they refuse to break. Their generals are also just as hardy, which is annoying as hell.

However, if they are reduced down by Horse Archers (firing from the rear so they actually cause casualties, and if not, they'll draw off one or two units), engaged by Getai heavy spearmen and falxmen (Small units and high defence, but overall inferior to pretty much everything, and really only useful as a pinning force), and then flank charge with Sarmatians - that SHOULD cause a rout. The thing is, is that the Getai have no real staying power, at all. You have to do a war-cry enhanced charge, and use heavy cavalry or horse archers to the max, and you have to do it quick, otherwise you'll be steamrolled by any other faction out there.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

The "barbarians" often triumphed over "civilized" armies. Just sayin'. Plus the fact that their combat record was written down by their enemies.


Some barbarians beat civilzed troops very often - see the Persians.

[Nerouin]

The "barbarians" often triumphed over "civilized" armies. Just sayin'. Plus the fact that their combat record was written down by their enemies.


Some barbarians beat civilzed troops very often - see the Persians.

The lion's share of Roman losses against barbarians were the result of incompetent leadership.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Or Persians.