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    Is it just me or are the Dwarf's like mini hulk's?

    I just fought off 5 full stacks 3 of Haradrim 1 of Mordor 1 of Goblins.

    This included 4 cave troll units 7 battle troll unit 3 mumakil units and 5 goldscale units.

    Then a large varied force of archers,skirmishers and mixed melee light and heavy infantry.

    And this with 18 units of dwarfs.
    4 units of Dragonslayer's ( No dwarf army is complete without dragon slayers )
    5 units of vanguard
    2 units of halberd
    4 units of axe throwers ( i forgot the name )
    and my general gimli who only had 11 bodyguards after fighting off 4 units of haradrim clansmen single handed to join the army.
    All with gold armor and silver weapons but with only 3 chevrons at most on any unit apart from gimli whos on 2 gold.

    All of this on open ground aswell without hiding in a corner.
    Which leads me to believe dwarf's are untouchable.
    5 goblin stacks fine there weaklings so dragonslayers would tear them to pieces.
    But in the end it was just a straight up slugging match 5 vanguard making up the main line with halberds on the flanks axe throwers behind the 3 central units gimli behind them 2 dragon slayers on each flank forming a reserve.

    The main fight was the 3 haradrim in a frontal assault which hit a line of 2 rank thick dwarf's came to a dead halt and was ground into mince while i had the throwers pounding the enemies 2nd ranks as they closed.

    Mordor and the goblins tried a flank charge but 40 units including all the trolls were brought to a total halt and driven back in a massive slaughter by gimli and the slayers as they charged in head on became totally surrounded on all side's by a horde of trolls goblins and orcs then formed 1 big circle and hacked there path free each heading for a different point in the enemies line.

    At the end of the battle i had a total of 4987 kills 349 survivors ( no cavalry to pursue them ) and less then 200 casulties most of which was suffered by the slayers ( 160 slayers plus gimli and 11 bodyguards vs the best part of 2000 orcs and goblins plus about 75 trolls ) you can hardly blaim them for losing some men but really? i should of been decimated fighting so horribly outnumbered ( my bad i charged in without scouting first ) but insted ive wiped out the haradrims entire field army the goblins have only got 3 small city's left of which ive got small force's besieging 2 and mordor ive driven back deep into its own territory with the help of Dale.
    And still have more then enough men alive to continue to push while a reinforcement column moves up to replace my losses.

    Either im a total god at manouvering my men to route weakened units quickly or dwarf's are mini hulks with way to much body hair.

    Anybody else had this kind of experience?
    I am the shadow, and the smoke in your eyes I am the ghost, that hides in the night.

    We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
    we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the beaches,
    we shall fight on the landing grounds,
    we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
    we shall fight in the hills;
    we shall never surrender.

    " The dark is generous.
    Its first gift is concealment: our true faces lie in the dark beneath our skins, our true hearts remain shadowed deeper still. But the greatest concealment lies not in protecting our secret truths, but in hiding from the truths of others.
    The dark protects us from what we dare not know.
    Its second gift is comforting illusion: the ease of gentle dreams in night’s embrace, the beauty that imagination brings to what would repel in the day’s harsh light. But the greatest of its comforts is the illusion that dark is temporary: that every night brings a new day. Because it’s the day that is temporary.
    Day is the illusion.
    Its third gift is the light itself: as days are defined by the nights that divide them, as stars are defined by the infinite black through which they wheel, the dark embraces the light, and brings it forth from the center of its own self.
    With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.


    The dark is generous, and it is patient.
    It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
    The dark can be patient, because the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
    The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
    The dark’s patience is infinite.
    Eventually, even stars burn out.


    The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins.
    It always wins because it is everywhere.
    It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun, and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet.
    The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.


    The dark is generous and it is patient and it always wins – but in the heart of its strength lies its weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back.
    Love is more than a candle.
    Love can ignite the stars."



    Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end.

    You began the war.

    I am going to end it!

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    Dwarves as mini-hulks. I like the description. Ironically enough, the dwarves in Total War mods are always depicted as small old men. Which is completely silly. They had exceptionally strong limbs and the models should reflect this. Check out the dwarf depicted in "Severance Blade of Darkness" or the cutout characters available in the "Middle Earth Roleplaying" game by ICE: very stocky, strong limbs, broad shouldered. Not small thin old men or fat old men with boots, i.e. the Games Workshop depictions....jeebus).

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    the dwerfs are extreemly annoying specially when you play a dale campaign .... they will tear your full stack armys with their full stack but remmember they are few in numbers and takes +3 turns to recruit and are quite expensive
    Quote Originally Posted by Blatta Optima Maxima View Post
    So you have reached the "NANANANANA I AM NOT LIZTENING, YOU ARE WRONG" phase. Just a couple of posts back you were bragging about how the Persians lost because of their inferiority, now you're saying you don't care?
    BOM to Kakabis
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=484498
    my AAR, please check it out

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    Im feeling the burn now .

    I won that campaign and started on VH/VH.

    Initially piece of cake i took a couple of goblin bases to get my income up and built a full stack up consisting of 6 vanguard units to provide the main line with 2 halberd 1 on each flank 2 dragon slayers as a secondary line or flank force on each flank with 4 warsmith's behind the middle 4 vanguard for close support with 1 hireling archer behind each of the other 2 vanguard 1 behind the smith's general behind them.

    Then i promptly rofl stomped about 15000 goblins in 7 battles losing less then 300 men in the process due to a simple tactic of making sure they hit me with several stacks so they'd charge me so i sat miles away on a hill and waited.

    They'd run into archer range then warmsith range already exhausted from the charge lose a mass of men then hit a line of fresh heavy infantry by this point all with gold armor and silver weapons come to a dead stop then the slayers would slip round charge the center of the line from behind and end of battle my defensive line held them in place no problem event spread to just 2 ranks thick with in some cases 15+ ranks of goblins pushing into them and the slayers would just bull doze a path through them hacking them down in swath's.

    I then took 3 city's down past dale and it all went wrong.

    I posted small defense force's in them plus the 2 i took from goblins thinking hey they wont react that fast 5 turns later i lost all 3 and almost lost a goblin settlement but the brave 160 dwarf's stood there ground killing just short of 2000 goblins in an epic battle to hold the walls.

    I promptly reinforced there bringing it upto 3 war smith's and 6 axe unit's more then enough to throw back 10x there number of goblins which 3 turns later they did when they fought off 8 stacks of goblins attacking 3 at a time on 3 side's so i fored a noob square in the middle and watched the slaughter as horde after horde hit my line and was hacked to piece's although by the 3rd assault i had less then 1/4 of my men standing and won by the skin of my teeth luckily thats all they had so i retrained the lot the next turn god bless the mini hulks the buggers dont die without a hell of a fight .

    The 3 lost city's ive reclaimed 2 of now each with 6 hireling spear 3 hireling archer and a general in them because they cant retrain dwarf's so im not wasting them on defending the city's.

    My full stack has just driven back somethin like my 20th mordor or haradrim army so far having more then 50000 kills for a loss of about 2000 men luckily i had time to retrain between wave's leaving the dragon slayers to hold the line in the 2 city's i retook.

    Im in the process of a building a second stack to match the first which is going to come within about 2000 of bankrupting me but my 1 stack can not keep up with the enemies assaults but 2 stack's of unstoppable mini hulks should be enough to launch my counter attack which im planning on being 1 stack driving into harad to knock them ou the second into mordor and im about to give 75000 each to dale and the elves right nexto me so they can get back into this war after being beaten down harshly by the orcs of mordor.
    With luck they can draw fire off of me long enough for me to get my border's totally secure and being my counter assault.

    But dam on VH/VH evil are a pain they hit me all at once from about 8 directions at one point every city i had was under siege at once luckily mostly by goblins can you picture it?
    2000 goblins 200 dwarfs general and throwers behind the gate 1 axe unit on each side of the wall above it then just watch the slaughter .

    I was going to do a full stack of slayer's but that would just be cruel to the pore little orcs 4 units can wipe out full stacks of them let alone 20 .

    All im missing is cavalry but not a chance in hell am i removing missile or infantry to make space for them .
    I am the shadow, and the smoke in your eyes I am the ghost, that hides in the night.

    We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
    we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the beaches,
    we shall fight on the landing grounds,
    we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
    we shall fight in the hills;
    we shall never surrender.

    " The dark is generous.
    Its first gift is concealment: our true faces lie in the dark beneath our skins, our true hearts remain shadowed deeper still. But the greatest concealment lies not in protecting our secret truths, but in hiding from the truths of others.
    The dark protects us from what we dare not know.
    Its second gift is comforting illusion: the ease of gentle dreams in night’s embrace, the beauty that imagination brings to what would repel in the day’s harsh light. But the greatest of its comforts is the illusion that dark is temporary: that every night brings a new day. Because it’s the day that is temporary.
    Day is the illusion.
    Its third gift is the light itself: as days are defined by the nights that divide them, as stars are defined by the infinite black through which they wheel, the dark embraces the light, and brings it forth from the center of its own self.
    With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.


    The dark is generous, and it is patient.
    It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
    The dark can be patient, because the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
    The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
    The dark’s patience is infinite.
    Eventually, even stars burn out.


    The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins.
    It always wins because it is everywhere.
    It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun, and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet.
    The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.


    The dark is generous and it is patient and it always wins – but in the heart of its strength lies its weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back.
    Love is more than a candle.
    Love can ignite the stars."



    Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end.

    You began the war.

    I am going to end it!

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    would you mind uplouding some screen shots it's so difficult to follow you , sorry
    Quote Originally Posted by Blatta Optima Maxima View Post
    So you have reached the "NANANANANA I AM NOT LIZTENING, YOU ARE WRONG" phase. Just a couple of posts back you were bragging about how the Persians lost because of their inferiority, now you're saying you don't care?
    BOM to Kakabis
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=484498
    my AAR, please check it out

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