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    Default Top physicists write a protest letter to GWBush

    4/19/06
    Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush, Call Nuclear Weapons Against Iran 'Gravely Irresponsible'
    By Kim McDonald

    Thirteen of the nation’s most prominent physicists have written a letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear weapons against Iran “gravely irresponsible” and warning that such action would have “disastrous consequences for the security of the United States and the world.”



    The physicists include five Nobel laureates, a recipient of the National Medal of Science and three past presidents of the American Physical Society, the nation’s preeminent professional society for physicists.



    Their letter was prompted by recent articles in the Washington Post, New Yorker and other publications that one of the options being considered by Pentagon planners and the White House in a military confrontation with Iran includes the use of nuclear bunker busters against underground facilities. These reports were neither confirmed nor denied by White House and Pentagon officials.



    The letter was initiated by Jorge Hirsch, a professor of physics at the University of California , San Diego , who last fall put together a petition signed by more than 1,800 physicists that repudiated new U.S. nuclear weapons policies that include preemptive use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear adversaries (http://physics.ucsd.edu/petition/ ). Hirsch has also published 15 articles in recent months (http://antiwar.com/hirsch/ ) documenting the dangers associated with a potential U.S. nuclear strike on Iran .



    “We are members of the profession that brought nuclear weapons into existence, and we feel strongly that it is our professional duty to contribute our efforts to prevent their misuse,” says Hirsch. "Physicists know best about the devastating effects of the weapons they created, and these eminent physicists speak for thousands of our colleagues.”



    “The fact that the existence of this plan has not been denied by the Administration should be a cause of great alarm, even if it is only one of several plans being considered,” he adds. “The public should join these eminent scientists in demanding that the Administration publicly renounces such a misbegotten option against a non-nuclear country like Iran .”



    The letter, which is available at http://physics.ucsd.edu/petition/physicistsletter.html, points out that “nuclear weapons are unique among weapons of mass destruction,” and that nuclear weapons in today's arsenals have a total power of more than 200,000 times the explosive energy of the bomb that leveled Hiroshima, which caused the deaths of more than 100,000 people.



    It notes that there are no sharp lines between small and large nuclear weapons, nor between nuclear weapons targeting facilities and those targeting armies or cities, and that the use by the United States of nuclear weapons after 60 years of non-use will make the use of nuclear weapons by others more likely.



    “Once the U.S. uses a nuclear weapon again, it will heighten the probability that others will too,” the physicists write. “In a world with many more nuclear nations and no longer a ‘taboo’ against the use of nuclear weapons, there will be a greatly enhanced risk that regional conflicts could expand into global nuclear war, with the potential to destroy our civilization.”



    The letter echoes the main objection of last fall’s physicists’ petition, stressing that the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty will be irreversibly damaged by the use or even the threat of use of nuclear weapons by a nuclear nation against a non-nuclear one, with disastrous consequences for the security of the United States and the world.



    “It is gravely irresponsible for the U.S. as the greatest superpower to consider courses of action that could eventually lead to the widespread destruction of life on the planet. We urge the administration to announce publicly that it is taking the nuclear option off the table in the case of all non-nuclear adversaries, present or future, and we urge the American people to make their voices heard on this matter.”



    The 13 physicists who coauthored the letter are: Philip Anderson, professor of physics at Princeton University and Nobel Laureate in Physics; Michael Fisher, professor of physics at the Institute for Physical Science and Technology, University of Maryland and Wolf Laureate in Physics; David Gross, professor of theoretical physics and director of the Kavli Institute of Physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara and Nobel Laureate in Physics; Jorge Hirsch, professor of physics at the University of California, San Diego; Leo Kadanoff, professor of physics and mathematics at the University of Chicago and recipient of the National Medal of Science; Joel Lebowitz, professor of mathematics and physics, Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey and Boltzmann Medalist; Anthony Leggett, professor of physics, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Nobel Laureate, Physics; Eugen Merzbacher, professor of physics, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and former president, American Physical Society; Douglas Osheroff, professor of physics and applied physics, Stanford University and Nobel Laureate, Physics; Andrew Sessler, former director of Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and former president, American Physical Society; George Trilling, professor of physics, University of California, Berkeley, and former president, American Physical Society; Frank Wilczek, professor of physics, MIT and Nobel Laureate, Physics; Edward Witten, professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Study and Fields Medalist.



    The physicists are sending copies of their letter to their elected representatives, requesting that the issue be urgently addressed in the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives.



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    Are nuclear weapons being seriously considered for use against Iran? I think almost anyone should know that that's a bad idea.

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    I don't seriously thing nukes will be deployed.
    Really, that's against common sense.





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    Obviously, but writing a letter denouncing non existent imminent plans to nuke Iran puts them on the short list for the Nobel Peace Prize.


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    The whole thing is based on an article which claimed 'anonymous sources' have said nuclear bunker busters are in consideration combine this with the fact that US's position is 'no option is off the table' and you get the somewhat paranoid view that we are preparing a nuclear strike on Iran. It would be absolute suicide in so many ways, politically, economic etc etc.

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    http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-56/iss-11/p32.html

    Seems clear to me that if the USA is going to attack Iran and knock out its nuclear infrastructure then they're going to have to use a couple dozen mini nukes to do it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadmium77
    http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-56/iss-11/p32.html

    Seems clear to me that if the USA is going to attack Iran and knock out its nuclear infrastructure then they're going to have to use a couple dozen mini nukes to do it.
    Well the point of development of those weapons is no doubt to hit underground sites but I dont believe its specifically aimed for Iran. Btw US has a major conventional explosive test in Nevada in early May that some believe is a test of basically how big a conventional bomb you'd need to hit Iranian sites and others think its a simulation for the mini nukes

    "For a typical third-world urban population density of 6000/km2 those estimates imply that a 1-kt weapon would kill tens of thousands and a 100-kt weapon would kill hundreds of thousands of people."

    The US is just not going to do that given the current situtation.

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    The US may plan to drop tactical atom bombs, not strategical ones, thus it means, nuclear weapons that not cause radiation. These bombs are used against military and not civilians. Yet, using nuclear weapoins against non nuclear countries is like shooting at unarmed people. It will encourage other countries and terrorists alike. Bush can do it, then we can do it as well.. It is a dangerous way.
    And what for? Because the iranian president is idiot? Because he denies holocaust? Because he is making -perhaps! not sure-atom bomb, which could not use against Us dfense system, yet not alone launch it!
    North Korea is more dangerous than Iran, yet what do USA against NK? Nothing. Why?
    They have already an atom bomb.
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    americans can not use nukes against iran. if they do, that would be against anything they're standing for. The people of Iran are Innocent. America can only destroy the goverment. Thay can not kill millions of innocent peoples, even if iran strikes first, they can not strike back. That is Weakness of Democracy.

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    Can't say I'd be totally suprised if Bush proposed the nuclear option.
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    The article cited above certainly suggests that not only are mini-nukes devastating in force to nearby populations (even if they aren't full scale strategic nukes), but relatively ineffective on their target. It seems that if a mini-nuke hit a biological weapons bunker, for instance, it wouldn't destroy the materials inside, but merely release them into the atmosphere. Likewise with nuclear plants.

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    When will we learn to live in peace?

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    The United States will not use nuclear weapons against Iran, the iranian people hate america enough already, imagine if we dropped a nuclear bomb on them. The political and social results would be horrible for America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westy159
    When will we learn to live in peace?
    Now that is a good question.

    Quote Originally Posted by QuackyNC
    The political and social results would be horrible for America.
    We realise that, but does George Dubya? Considering his previous track record, I'm not terribly sure that he always considers the cataclysmic consequences of his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith Darksea
    We realise that, but does George Dubya? Considering his previous track record, I'm not terribly sure that he always considers the cataclysmic consequences of his actions.
    With his already very low approval rating and the fact that he has almost no support in the Congress I really doubt that he would go that far. I beleive if he did it would be the worst political mistake in history. People dont realize Iran isnt Iraq, they are a pretty strong nation. They have a fanatically religous president who openly calls for the destruction of Israel and America. They also have the capability to strike at Israel and US bases in the middle east with missiles that they could possibly equip with all kinds of nasty things like chemcal weapons or something. They can also hurt the american economy, if they withhold oil or even threaten too they could really hurt the American economy. I dont want the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon but I dont want to have to pay 3.50 for a gallon of gas. If we attack Iran at all it will have to be an all out attack not just a surgical strike on their nuclear facilities.
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    Personally, I find anyone who shrugs these guys off as trying to get attention as being plain ignorant. Does it matter that there are no publically published strategies implying the use of nukes? No. I can be sure that in every single strategic briefing there is a "Nuke the bastards" contingency plan. I don't mean that quite so bluntly of course, but I'm sure they do consider the application of nuclear weapons technology when planning a military venture.

    I applaud these guys who are willing to stick their necks out and disagree with the administration. They are not "hanging on the tails of Einsteins Coat". They are using their quite rightly deserved influence to maintain some sense of sanity in the US military's planning. Even if there are no plans what so ever to use nuclear weapons, it is essential that such people of authority use their position to make important issues remain important. If everyone simply stopped protesting against the use of nuclear weapons, you can bet that they would eventually be implemented. It is by protesting against the existance (which is what this is basically) of such weapons that their application is never even considered.
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    Like I said before I dont think this conflict can be resolved from the air alone, if the US attacks Iran, the Iranians will attack back with every thing they have. I would suggest something like the first gulf war, a month or two of nonstop bombing and surgical strikes followed by a quick desicive ground campaign and then force the Iranians to sign a treaty or something, because we cannot occupy Iran as well. If the US does under go a ground campaign I fear we will face a fanatical population that will be willing to sacrifice themselves in the millions to stop an American invasion. The Iranain people really, really, really hate america.
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    Obviously there won't be an occupation, any ground attacks would just be surgical (likely involving paratroopers and special forces) to neutralize nuclear sites that are somehow too deep for even 200ft penetration bombs to take out.

    Iran will try and retaliate with attacks on US forces in Iraq, and maybe international terrorist attacks, but the US knows this and hopefully the espionage investments put into the CIA and FBI will payoff and they will be able to track and defeat Iranian agents before they can cause any real mayhem. This is how Israel defeated the Intifadah, by 2004, Mossad and Shin Bet had pretty much totally infilitrated Palestinian organisations, so much so that they were assassinating leaders with rigged cell phones and ****. There will be a dirty intelligence war against Iran's networks, but I think the western forces will prevail. The other dirty proxy conflict will be US-Iraqi forces vs Iran controlled militias in Iraq, again it will get ugly, but it wont be apocalyptic, the majority of Iraqis really do not want Iran using their country as a satellite for a battleground against the US, they don't share Persian nationalist sentiment (infact they really don't even like Persians), so once the likes of Sadr have been taken care of when they strike, it won't balloon out of control, just the Iranian influence needs to be killed.

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