Elections are over? Well, Berlusconi's crime never happened...

[Ummon]

IMI-SIR process ends with the state attorney's request that former judge Squillante, supposedly bribed by Berlusconi's lawyer Previti (to obtain a sentence which in truth didn't benefit Berlusconi), is released because he didn't commit any crime. Refused the request of Milan Magistrates, of a revision of the related Lodo-SME cause, as well, in which Berlusconi was freed of charge.

That's what usually happens. Berlusconi the criminal, Berlusconi the mafioso. But in the end, he did nothing, or nothing which can be defined, according to his prosecutors as well... But of course, this has to be stated only after elections...

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obvious, Berlusconi has modified the laws of our nation in order to obtain just this, to be immune to the law thanks to the law on "the immunity of the high charges of the state" ... if it loses the charges it becomes can be judged like every other Italian citizen, and in fact they are passes ten days from the elections and it does not point out to discharge itself

[Ummon]

Not really, infact, it has been requested that Previti is condemned nonetheless. It is Squillante's crime which didn't happen, not Previti's which was the object of the law. But if Squillante's didn't happen, how could Previti's happen?

Besides, Squillante is not a state figure. He is a pensioned magistrate. The reform doesn't apply to him...

Berlusconi, was indeed stupid and criminal to change the law. But he was not the only one around, nor the worst of these kinds.

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Previti do not cover no high institutional charge, the law guarantees the immunity to the Prime Minister and to the President of the Republic... he is a senator not immune to the laws

[Ummon]

Exactly, but Previti was Berlusconi's lawyer and allegedly acted on his mandate, thus his charges affect Berlusconi, who has a separate process affected by the law.

Nothing of what you say, obviously refutes my points. Or do you contend the info I posted?

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Exactly, but Previti was Berlusconi's lawyer and allegedly acted on his mandate, thus his charges affect Berlusconi, who has a separate process affected by the law.

I have not understood. the Berlusconi lawyer would have to be immune to thanks to the benefits of its assisted?

[Ummon]

Ehm, no, and that's exactly what I am saying. Berlusconi would have been responsible through his lawyer of corrupting Squillante, or that was the allegation. But Berlusconi has another separate trial because of his ad personam law, thus there is no way the law itself may have caused the delay in this particular sentence.

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A sore loser sulks
Published: April 21 2006 03:00 | Last updated: April 21 2006 03:00

In spite of the decision by Italy's highest court this week confirming the narrow victory of Romano Prodi's centre-left coalition in the country's general election, the outgoing prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, still refuses to admit defeat. He seems to be calculating that by casting doubt on the outcome, he will destabilise Mr Prodi's coalition from the start, and thus shorten its life. If so, he is showing an arrogant disÂÂ*regard for the verdict of the ballot box, however finely balanced that may have been. He is contributing to international concerns about Italy's political stability. Indeed, as he has done all too often in the past, he seems to be putting the interests of Silvio Berlusconi ahead of those of his country.


To have an effective democracy, political leaders must learn how to lose gracefully as well as how to win. Al Gore, the former US vice-president, conceded defeat to George W. Bush as soon as the Supreme Court ruled on the question of disputed ballots in Florida. That is how democracies are supposed to work. But Mr Berlusconi is a sore loser. He refrains from comment, but Giulio Tremonti, his former deputy and finance minister, said there were still "things that need to be clarified". By questioning the outcome, he is undermining the system itself.

Mr Berlusconi's own record in office left much to be desired. On the political front, he reversed the electoral law that had produced a modicum of political stability (to his own advantage), returning to a proportional representation system that might have given him short-term benefit. Instead it produced a fragmented parliament, to the benefit of no one. During the election campaign, he continued to exploit his media empire to get disproportionate television coverage for himself and his party. As for the economy, his government proved a grave disappointment on the vital reforms needed to improve Italy's competitiveness. He has left the country languishing at the bottom of the euro-league.

All of this makes the task for Mr Prodi, at the head of a nine-party alliance, all the more daunting. Yet he has held together a disparate government before, and negotiated Italy's entry into the single currency at the same time. Reports that he may appoint Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa, former executive director of the European Central Bank, as finance or economy minister, should provide some reassurance to the capital markets. Mr Prodi needs to demonstrate that his is the voice of disÂÂ*passionate experience, in contrast to the partisan posturing of Mr Berlusconi. The former is what Italy needs, not more of the latter.

http://news.ft.com/home/europe

[Ummon]

There's a thread for Italian election discussion. Please post on-topic, this thread is not about anti-Berlusconi invective (as much as you like it) and comment on elections, but about trials and judgements.

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I have already answered you...

obvious, Berlusconi has modified the laws of our nation in order to obtain just this, to be immune to the law thanks to the law on "the immunity of the high charges of the state" ... if it loses the charges it becomes can be judged like every other Italian citizen, and in fact they are passes ten days from the elections and it does not point out to discharge itself

the article I have posted for giving it foundation to my ideas :original:

[Ummon]

I fear, the article is:

1) written in bad english (with mistakes)
2) clearly by one Italian opponent of Berlusconi ("our nation")
3) not very authoritative (not authoritative at all, in truth)
4) it means very little (or nothing) in terms of information, a lot in terms of opinions (insults, more properly)

I honestly doubt that I could find more help from any Berlusconi supporter.

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I fear, the article is:

1) written in bad english (with mistakes)
2) clearly by one Italian opponent of Berlusconi ("our nation")
3) not very authoritative (not authoritative at all, in truth)
4) it means very little (or nothing) in terms of information, a lot in terms of opinions (insults, more properly)

I honestly doubt that I could find more help from any Berlusconi supporter.

sorry.. but... ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

the article is drawn directly from the FINANCIAL TIME , sure it is not a daily paper of left and sure they know to write in English... it is not an authoritative daily paper? little days ago you referred just to this daily paper citing the critic who the same made one Prodi.

ulterior comments me seem superfluous.

[Ummon]

Then perhaps you should cut/paste better: is it possible? Sadly, though, the Financial Times using "our country" for Italy, looks consistently suspicious. Like everything you say...

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Then perhaps you should cut/paste better: is it possible? Sadly, though, the Financial Times using "our country" for Italy, looks consistently suspicious. Like everything you say...

Pertinax the Suspicious one, sound well

[Ummon]

More than that, it is true.

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MILAN - the process of appeal in the comparisons of Silvio Berlusconi for the Sme vicissitude will not be celebrated. All have established the judges of the second Appeals Court of Milan rejecting the exceptions, comprised that one on the constitutional legittimità of the law on the unquestionable , proposed from accusation and defense. In practical the approval to the end of the slid legislatura of the so-called "law Pecorella" on the inammissibilità of the appeal for who it has been acquitted in first degree, has determined the end of the process for Berlusconi, acquitted from the accusation to have corrupt in 1988 Filippo Verde judge in order to hinder the Cir di Carlo De Benedetti and released because the crime in the meantime has become prescribed generic attenuating thanks to come to an agreement to the Knight for the corruption in 1991 of 434 mila dollars of the head of the roman jeep Renato Squillante.

LAW PECORELLA - the sentence had been appealled from the power of attorney because attenuating come to an agreement to Berlusconi had been denied to coimputato Cesar Previti (the condemned to 5 years). But the law Pecorella, approved of from the Parliament 12 slid January, has precluso to pm the possibilities to appeal the acquittals. Therefore the process of second degree, than the Appeals Court it had still fixed after the elections of the 9-10 you open them, will not be able to be made: the impugnazione will be converted in resource for Cassation (without re-examination of the merit).

27 April 2006

MILANO - Il processo di appello nei confronti di Silvio Berlusconi per la vicenda Sme non sarà celebrato. Lo hanno stabilito i giudici della seconda Corte d'appello di Milano respingendo tutte le eccezioni, compresa quella sulla legittimità costituzionale della legge sull'inappellabilità, proposte da accusa e difesa. In pratica l'approvazione alla fine della scorsa legislatura della cosiddetta «legge Pecorella» sull'inammissibilità dell'appello per chi è stato assolto in primo grado, ha determinato la fine del processo per Berlusconi, assolto dall’accusa di aver corrotto nel 1988 il giudice Filippo Verde per ostacolare la Cir di Carlo De Benedetti e prosciolto perché il reato nel frattempo è divenuto prescritto grazie alle attenuanti generiche accordate al Cavaliere per la corruzione nel 1991 di 434 mila dollari del capo dei gip romani Renato Squillante.

LEGGE PECORELLA - La sentenza era stata impugnata dalla procura perché le attenuanti accordate a Berlusconi erano state negate al coimputato Cesare Previti (condannato a 5 anni). Ma la legge Pecorella, approvata dal Parlamento il 12 gennaio scorso, ha precluso ai pm la possibilità di impugnare le assoluzioni. Quindi il processo di secondo grado, che la Corte d’appello aveva ancora fissato dopo le elezioni del 9-10 aprile, non si potrà fare: l’impugnazione si convertirà in ricorso per Cassazione (senza riesame del merito).

27 aprile 2006

from Corriere della Sera

[Ummon]

That is Berlusconi greatest mistake. One crime doesn't null the other, though, and Berlusconi appears more and more as someone who tried to save himself from persecution, changing the law to protect his own interest. Overall, this makes his actions unexcusable, but what about the continued violence, dishonesty, deviated use of justice for political goals, of the left?

Andreotti in Berlusconi's place, didn't change the law: he awaited for judgement. Judgement which was in his favour. As most political processes sponsored by the left, in the end there's nothing but hot air. But Berlusconi is not Andreotti, alas.

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Andreotti in Berlusconi's place, didn't change the law: he awaited for judgement. Judgement which was in his favour. As most political processes sponsored by the left, in the end there's nothing but hot air. But Berlusconi is not Andreotti, alas.

in part you mistakes... Andreotti have benefitted of the law for the prescription of the crimes emanated from the government Berlusconi. in facts, and enough that you read the sentence , our beloved Andreotti has been acquitted although the crime had been assessed...

strangely Andreotti he is the candidate for the presidency of the senate of Berlusconi

[Ummon]

Indeed indeed, every enemy of the left is a mafioso/criminal.

IMHO, Andreotti is too intelligent to have left traces of his relationships with mafia, if he ever had any. The very fact that he was accused (on a hearsay, again) is a demonstration that the accuse was based on forged evidence.

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Andreotti Sentence :original: