orcs and city walls

**Darkcrusader8** · October 22, 2011, 09:00 PM

hey guys after a lot of turns I have noticed that playng with the orcs I cannot build more than wooden walls not even in my capital may I ask why?

A bug or something wanted?

this is a big disadvantage and not only for the lack of solid walls but most of all because u can have only few free upkeep units in the city and ur cities can be easily conquered

why they cannot build walls?

**Russian Gondor** · October 22, 2011, 10:36 PM

Because lore wise Orks can only build things of wood.

**Ichon** · October 23, 2011, 01:04 AM

And metal... but they seem to lack the patience to shape stone.

Its not a huge handicap since most of your empire you should be taking over other factions stone walls anyway.

**Darkcrusader8** · October 23, 2011, 07:50 AM

ok thanks for the answers so it is on purpose poor orcs

may I suggest to put this particularity in the weakness of your faction guide I did not see it

it is a shame anyway I would have loved to see an orchish castle maybe not a fortress or citadel, just a simple castle but if it is true they cannot make one well I supposed it is right

**Super-Soviet** · October 23, 2011, 08:46 AM

When you have the chance move your capital to a Dwarf hold.

**Lazy** · October 23, 2011, 11:37 AM

I can understand Orcs are too dump to build a stone wall.
But they should be able build ballista towers I think!
Forcing some Goblins to drag a spear chukka on a tower is not that hard I think...

**ShahJahen** · October 28, 2011, 06:46 AM

ORCs are offensive faction. To them Waaaagh and joy of battle is all that matters. Having a Orc stone settlement would just make them into green skinned oversteroid human faction.

**dowdpride** · October 31, 2011, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by ShahJahen

ORCs are offensive faction. To them Waaaagh and joy of battle is all that matters. Having a Orc stone settlement would just make them into green skinned oversteroid human faction.

so a faction of green arnolds? i dont think that would be half awesome...

**Darkcrusader8** · November 02, 2011, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by ShahJahen

ORCs are offensive faction. To them Waaaagh and joy of battle is all that matters. Having a Orc stone settlement would just make them into green skinned oversteroid human faction.

I am afraid I disagree the orcs cannot build roads, lots of buildings to improve the quality of the settlement, no stone walls, they have no crossbow, no real heavy cavallery (it his very slow), the archer are strong in melee but not much in throwing arrows, they have no elite spearmen, no crossbow (apart from mercenaries) no gunpowder at all etc etc..

so they are very different from other nations, but if they were not able to build stone walls I agree that is correct to leave it as it is, the point is that when you have a crusade on ur boss camp and u are surrounded by three or more full stack armies of the empire it is a bit difficult to hope for victory if u do not have other armies to support it.

Question:
If I change my capital, as super-soviet said to the fortess of the dwarf that I have captured will the crusade of the empire be directed there or it will still be send against the original warboss camp?

**Lazy** · November 03, 2011, 04:54 PM

Crusades are set on a specific settlement. It does not matter if it is your capital or not... so if you change that nothing else happens!

The building-tree problem is easy to explain.
In Warhammer lore Orcs and Goblins are different from "normal" Orcs.
They are just dump idiots who like to fight. No time for stone buildings or something fancy like roads´n stuff! It is the same with heavy cavalry. Jumping on an Boar who

itself brings you faster to battle than inventing real heavy cavalry!
Crossbows are high technologie weapons! At least in the middle age...

**gornison** · November 11, 2011, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Lazy

In Warhammer lore Orcs and Goblins are different from "normal" Orcs.

What is "normal" Orc? Which lore ork should be considered normal? I am asking for real. The oldest ones are the Lord of the Rings ones I guess. Because definitely not WoW kind… Orcs from WH and LotR are pretty similar, so I would say that WH orcs are normal.

Anyway… Warhammer orcs do not build stone walls. If they live in fortress – they have taken it from somebody (probably dwarfs).

**Lazy** · November 11, 2011, 11:57 AM

As you say the "oldest" orcs are Tolkiens invention. That is why many people say they are the "real" or "normal" orcs. Everything that was invented after that is not "Tolkien-lore" anymore and therefore something "new".
Of course it is an very subjective opinion and it depends on what you have seen first! If you have read the book first it is Tolkien, if you have played Warhammer it is not Tolkien

WoW does not count! These orcs have only one purpose: making Blizzard rich!