Retraining in War

[kingsid]

Retraining in War

I feel like this is just stupid. It makes wars really unfair and is makng the game unenjoyable.

Options:

Aggys way:
Retrain in wars. Meaning every battle you do, which usually take long, will be pointless unit wise for the one you are attacking as they will be able to retrain if it gets to the next turn.

My way:
Block all retraining in war. Simple, fair, and makes the game more easy to understand and fun

[AussieGuy]

Possibly your way, but allow some sort of slow replenish rate during war (Example: 10% of your forces get replenished after taking losses).

[Dark Storm]

Yes but what if you have a long campaign? Why not just make it so that troops come out of your population? When they die part of your populations dies, which means you can retrain but, in doing so, you risk losing population and therefore money each turn

[The Stig]

What about actually buying the troops? So you would have to save up some money before going to war?

[kingsid]

All these are just to complecated it takes enough time in wars as it is. A simple 'no recruitment in wars' sorts the situation out. Anyway the only one for aggys way is aggy, so I think the people have spoken.

Your reply aggy?

[Dark Storm]

Actually it's me, i'm possibly about to go into a huge campaign against the russians whp are extremely obverpowered, this means that my campaign will probably last about 20 years, without recruitment, what the hell am i supposed to do?

[The Stig]

In addition, that would make economies useless. A nation with a stronger economy should be able to defeat one with a weaker economy.

[jakev2]

I thought you always had to pay to recruit troops anyway - didn't Arthur pay recruitment costs?

[Dark Storm]

He did

[The Stig]

Then what's wrong with that?

[jakev2]

Cancel my vote for sid's way, and change it to Arthurs. The way Sid said it implied Arthur didn't pay for all his new troops.

[Agamemnon]

I paid for them all.

Also, no recruitment in war is terribly unrealistic - If France randomly invaded Koln and Koln had no army, Koln would be wiped out with your system.

[kingsid]

That would never happen, in what situation would that ever happen. The point is I know it is unrealistic but most things here are anyway, let's wait till all have voted.

[kingsid]

I also should have made this clear you can retrain troops just not so that it makes it seem a battle has taken ages eg. Me and aggy battle straight after it he retrained because he got a new system that's just unfair.

@the stig it's not the fact he didn't have the money it's the fact he retrain men to elite standered and veteran straight after the battle this would never happen, there needs to be a way to avoid this my way might not be best but neither is aggy if the battle was pointless and nothing was achieved as e just retrained

[Agamemnon]

DUDE! YOU BEAT A MASSIVE WELL TRAINED ARMY WITH A TINY ONE!!!!! YOU GAINED A JUST BY NOT HAVING ME WIPE OUT THE SAXONS!!! NOW STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!!

[jakev2]

His point is that his victory was made meaningless - there was no long lasting damage to your army. On that, at least, I agree with him. Perhaps if there were a cap on the amount you could retrain per year (say, 1 million coins worth) so that casualties from a large battle would take several years to be replenished.

[Agamemnon]

He's just complaining because he's losing and he knows it. He can get over it, I've been more than reasonable and adding caps only further complicates it. He gained a huge strategic advantage, and he can make due with it. 5 mil would have to be the cap in games with pops this high, as 1 mil wouldn't make a difference.

[jakev2]

He's just complaining because he's losing and he knows it. He can get over it, I've been more than reasonable and adding caps only further complicates it. He gained a huge strategic advantage, and he can make due with it. 5 mil would have to be the cap in games with pops this high, as 1 mil wouldn't make a difference.

For most people, 1 million is about 1/6th of their army, which is still a LOT of people to be equipped and trained in one year.

Yes, no retraining in war seems stupid to me, but no limit on retraining is not much better.

[kingsid]

I agree jakev

[Agamemnon]

Meh, IRL a nation could conscript thousands in a couple of weeks. This is recruiting about 50,000 men in one year, and it's only logical.

Also, I didn't recruit a ton of elites, if you look at my military thread, the number of peasants is about 3x my standard field army.