Gold drainage

[Cooperz]

Im playing as Lithuania Early Campaign, and I had no issues with cash until about 1170. Since then I get 2900-3900 gold deducted from unknown expenses. When you click on the shield and in that window is shows 3900, and it takes 3900 every turn no matter what I do or dont do. Its now 1240 and its still same 3900. So I dont know how to sort that out. Any ideas?

[Santeri]

I had the exact same problem with Teutonics little while ago. I struggled little time by sacking and ransoming but never find any solution for this. Then I started new campaign and haven't had anything like that since then.

I really think it might be some MTW2 related bug...

[Caesar Clivus]

If you have Byg's Grim Reality IV installed, your finances will never add up.

If you are running a SS6.1 (seeing as you didn't give your version details) there is a bug with the pirate event that will continuously deduct money.

[Cooperz]

I am running BYG and my version is 6.4.
Ive started new game as Bizanites, but I got same again. It started as 600 almost at the beginning. And now its same -3900. I dont know what causing it. Seems tried everything. Moving troops contantly, dont keep king in castles etc.

[Caesar Clivus]

Read my previous post and then read the guide for BGR in the BGR thread in the submods forum

[Cooperz]

Read my previous post and then read the guide for BGR in the BGR thread in the submods forum

I have read it multiple times, and there is no mention regarding constant cash drainage for 70 odd years. If someone asking questions does not mean they haven't read "guide" on sub forums. Shoving people around to read guides is not really helpful.

[Caesar Clivus]

The BGR guide is the first port of call for BGR players. You made no mention of having read it previously. I'm sorry next time I'll use my telepathic powers to ascertain what you know in the future...

BTW this is from the BGR guide:

Note that because generals now have their own money, the treasury will have less and treasury reports will not reflect the actual treasury amount in your treasury total, but instead reflect the total coming in or going out of your faction before nobles' additions and deductions.

[Cooperz]

The BGR guide is the first port of call for BGR players. You made no mention of having read it previously. I'm sorry next time I'll use my telepathic powers to ascertain what you know in the future...

BTW this is from the BGR guide:

Yes, use your powers next time please.
Regarding generals and their expenses not showing in income/expenditure list, its not what Im talking about, what Im talking about is when you click on the shield, it shows expenses, so there are numbers of 2900 - 3900 on that list for 70 years, and it wont go down, it goes up once I get new generals, but its wont go lower 3900. And Ive tried to do everything what ive read up from "guide", yet nothing helps to pin point the reason why 3900 is constantly there.

[Ichon]

Expenses are usually the result of supplies and mercenaries costs. There is usually a range of expenses as BGR does not give you an exact cost in the expenses screen that pops up before getting to the faction summaries. So if the numbers are constant it simply means you are staying in that range. It should dramatically increase if you do something that costs the nobles alot that the treasury is required to pay for- note that not everything nobles do costs the treasury money, often it comes from their own wealth unless they are authorized. To decrease the costs you have to have fewer generals traveling and using supplies, no mercenaries, and most of your units doing free upkeep but there will always be some costs past a certain point in family size if your WC and junior WC or anyone with authorization are at the head of an army. Also your FL almost always is going to have some costs charged to the treasury.

[Byg]

To add to what Ichon said. Here is the scroll for the nobles expenses when in the range you you mention:

{NC_20_TITLE}Nobles' Expenses
{NC_30_BODY}Total = 3000-3900
\n\n Costs of maintaining the Nobility as borne by the economy:-

\n\n * These costs double during high inflation periods.

\n\n New Nobles' purses (1000 to 9000 depending on status)
\n\n Reclaimed Recruitment Expenses for Authorised Generals (100-400* per unit)
\n\n Recruitment without a general costs x2*. Not in summary
\n\n Foraging damage. Proportionately less for general led armies (100-800/army*). Not in summary
\n\n Reclaimed Mercenary Recruitment Expenses (300* per unit)
\n\n Reclaimed Supply Expenses ( 800-1600* per supply quarter)
\n\n Generals' claims for captured prisoners (1000-3000 ransomed or executed)
\n\n Generals' claims from Conquests/Sacking (1000-3000)
\n\n Taxes Raised by & for the Nobility (up to 900 per Noble)
\n\n Religious War administration costs (5000* each General who joins)
\n\n Purchases of bankrupt estates from moneylenders (2000-6000 per estate)
\n\n Faction Leader's Purse Supplements, only seen in summary (up to 1000 as required)
\n\n Unaccounted losses. Corruption?

As you are getting a fairly constant amount I expect you have a good stable system without any cost suprises. The most constant part (highlighted above) would be the amount nobles' taxes drain from the economy.

It simply means they are taking a steady amount, perhaps due to having a fairly constant amount of nobility over that period, keeping the amount in that range. It is a long time to stay in that range, perhaps due to slow expansion which is mirrored in the amount of nobility you posess.

Presumably you are not recruiting much with central army (authorised) nobles either, further stabilising costs.

You say the amount stays the same no matter what you do, but also that it changes when new nobles arrive. so it is working.

If you want to test it further then recruit a load of mercs or units with "recruitment authorised" generals and then view the scroll again (same turn and next turn).

[Cooperz]

Thanks for the replies guys. Now I know that it is not a bug and not avoidable. However in my campaign as Lithuania I had between 5 to 10 family member generals including king and a prince. But in my Byzantine campaign I have 15 family members plus I have inflation, but it is still 3900 minimum.
And regarding recruiting with authorized general, I had general who was council member + staff, but he had only average recruitment ability. Now as Byzantines, my king is council + staff, can only recruit average units, my other general council + staff and only have average until recruitment ability too. So I can not recruit average or above units because they dont even show up on the roster. Just grayed out.

[Byg]

The summaries help by gving some approximaztion of costs, a range, but if you have any doubts then you can always add most things up yourself by looking at each general's traits and seeing what his tax income is and what any authorised generals bought e.g supplies and recruitment costs.

Regarding average recruitment ability: that's all covered in the instructions, the recruitment chart in particular shows you every factor at a glance (once you are used to it). Just remember that having the correct general isn't the only limiting factor on recruitment.