Civil Wars????

[valvegas1]

What i was thinking of adding to my mod im creating is increased possibility of a civil war occurring when a leader dies. basically when the heir takes over and his brothers loyalty is 5 or lower (or ever drops to 5 or lower) then it increases his chances of rebelling and starting a civil war. also i don't just want the game to simply turn them into a rebel. i would like them to stay as part of the faction and if he wins he becomes the leader of the faction. i've played M2TW for years and have only ever seen one rebelling sibling. i would like to set it so that the lower the loyalty the higher the chance of rebelling. maybe if it's possible flip the rebelling characters banner colors so that they can be identified easier. example: hre normal flag is black with yellow logo, flip it to yellow with black logo. if any of this is at all possible i am asking for help in achieving all this as i think it would really be a lot more true to history. thank you in advance for any help.

[danny X]

this would be a good place to start

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=256587

[valvegas1]

thank you. i sent a message to the creator of that mod. anything else in the meantime would be much appreciated...

[Vegas_Bear]

I believe for the revolter not to be the Rebels, you would have to use another faction slot, shadow faction. Like the BA script from Britannia. BA can spawn when a new FL comes to be or if his authority becomes to low.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

	;check when England gets a new faction leader
	monitor_event BecomesFactionLeader FactionType england
		and I_NumberOfSettlements england > 15
		and I_CompareCounter ba_first_emergence = 1
		and I_NumberOfSettlements barons_alliance = 0
		and I_EventCounter ba_last_spawn_timer > 10
		
		faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 70.0 140.0 0.85 town false
		
		if I_NumberOfSettlements barons_alliance > 0
			set_event_counter ba_last_spawn_timer 0
			historic_event barons_reemerge_new_king
			add_money barons_alliance 10000
		end_if	
		
	end_monitor
	
	;check when English leaders authority is low
	monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType england
		and I_NumberOfSettlements england > 15
		and I_CompareCounter ba_first_emergence = 1
		and I_NumberOfSettlements barons_alliance = 0
		and I_EventCounter ba_last_spawn_timer > 10
		
		generate_random_counter	authority_value 1 100
		
		
		;the lower the faction leaders authority, the greater the chance of the barons_alliance appearing
		if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 0
		
			if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 33
				faction_emerge barons_alliance england 5 50.0 145.0 0.9 town false
			end_if
		
		end_if
		
		if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 1
		
			if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 25
				faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 60.0 135.0 0.9 town false
			end_if
		
		end_if
		
		if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 2
		
			if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 20
				faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 65.0 130.0 0.85 town false
			end_if
		
		end_if
		
		if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 3
		
			if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 15
				faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 70.0 120.0 0.85 town false
			end_if
		
		end_if
		
		if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 4
		
			if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 10
				faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 80.0 120.0 0.85 town false
			end_if
		
		end_if
		
		if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 5
		
			if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 5
				faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 85.0 120.0 0.85 town false
			end_if
		
		end_if	
		
		if I_NumberOfSettlements barons_alliance > 0
			set_event_counter ba_last_spawn_timer 0
			historic_event barons_reemerge_poor_king
			add_money barons_alliance 10000
		end_if	
		
	end_monitor

Hope this points you in the right direction.

VB

[valvegas1]

I believe for the revolter not to be the Rebels, you would have to use another faction slot, shadow faction. Like the BA script from Britannia. BA can spawn when a new FL comes to be or if his authority becomes to low.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    ;check when England gets a new faction leader
    monitor_event BecomesFactionLeader FactionType england
        and I_NumberOfSettlements england > 15
        and I_CompareCounter ba_first_emergence = 1
        and I_NumberOfSettlements barons_alliance = 0
        and I_EventCounter ba_last_spawn_timer > 10
        
        faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 70.0 140.0 0.85 town false
        
        if I_NumberOfSettlements barons_alliance > 0
            set_event_counter ba_last_spawn_timer 0
            historic_event barons_reemerge_new_king
            add_money barons_alliance 10000
        end_if    
        
    end_monitor
    
    ;check when English leaders authority is low
    monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType england
        and I_NumberOfSettlements england > 15
        and I_CompareCounter ba_first_emergence = 1
        and I_NumberOfSettlements barons_alliance = 0
        and I_EventCounter ba_last_spawn_timer > 10
        
        generate_random_counter    authority_value 1 100
        
        
        ;the lower the faction leaders authority, the greater the chance of the barons_alliance appearing
        if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 0
        
            if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 33
                faction_emerge barons_alliance england 5 50.0 145.0 0.9 town false
            end_if
        
        end_if
        
        if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 1
        
            if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 25
                faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 60.0 135.0 0.9 town false
            end_if
        
        end_if
        
        if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 2
        
            if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 20
                faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 65.0 130.0 0.85 town false
            end_if
        
        end_if
        
        if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 3
        
            if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 15
                faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 70.0 120.0 0.85 town false
            end_if
        
        end_if
        
        if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 4
        
            if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 10
                faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 80.0 120.0 0.85 town false
            end_if
        
        end_if
        
        if I_FactionLeaderAttribute england Authority = 5
        
            if I_EventCounter authority_value <= 5
                faction_emerge barons_alliance england 6 85.0 120.0 0.85 town false
            end_if
        
        end_if    
        
        if I_NumberOfSettlements barons_alliance > 0
            set_event_counter ba_last_spawn_timer 0
            historic_event barons_reemerge_poor_king
            add_money barons_alliance 10000
        end_if    
        
    end_monitor

Hope this points you in the right direction.

VB

Thanks...how would i change it to just fire on the local faction (player) instead of England? also i'm still unsure of how to keep the rebels as part of the originating faction just not controllable by the player and if the rebels win then the leader takes control of said faction?????? i know its alot to ask and i really appreciate the help....

[Vegas_Bear]

Thanks...how would i change it to just fire on the local faction (player) instead of England? also i'm still unsure of how to keep the rebels as part of the originating faction just not controllable by the player and if the rebels win then the leader takes control of said faction?????? i know its alot to ask and i really appreciate the help....

A shadow faction can only follow one faction, it is set up in the descr_sm_factions and campaign script. Have a look at these files in the British Isles add on. Once the rebelling faction is spawned, it is controlled by the AI and not part of the rebels, it can use the rebel skins if you so chose to do so. The spawned rebels are actually a new faction, that is why they need a slot in descr_sm_factions and count towards the total amount of factions available, 31.

VB

[Kiliç Alì]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=488020
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=489332

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