Help with diplomacy?

**Mewmewbewbew11** · October 19, 2011, 09:44 AM

Greetings,

I'm relatively new to EU3, I got the chronicles version a few weeks ago and currently playing my 3rd game

. I just started tinkering with diplomacy in my last game. I think I've encountered this problem with my last game but didn't really pay no mind to it because I was playing England and any mistakes I make with such major power can be easily fixed :p.

So this is what happened, I'm playing Malacca and my ally Brunei declared war on Arakan (which had 0 army and their only ally also only have 8k so I joined in when they asked). My vassal champa automatically declare war on them too. I went to the one province Arakan plow over their 2k merc and vassalize them as junior partner. I ask my new vassal to be my new ally without my looking at their status. Turns out they're still at war with Brunei and Champa :O, needless to say the second they accept my alliance, I'm automatically at war with Brunei and my other vassal Champa. So... I don't get it, is this a bug or is this the way it's supposed to be? I thought when I vassalized Arakan, all the war should've ended? If this is not a bug and the way the game mechanic thought it should be then what should I do? If Arakan still at war with Brunei and Champa, one of them bound to get in and... I don't even know...

help???

**nhytgbvfeco2** · October 19, 2011, 11:35 AM

if your not the war leader and you peace your foe all other members stay in war (unless you annex), this includes your vassal, personal unions etc.

**Mewmewbewbew11** · October 19, 2011, 11:43 AM

Is there anyway around it? Arakan finally make peace with both of them after about two years xD (neither side attack each other too... it just seem overly silly...)

**nhytgbvfeco2** · October 19, 2011, 02:02 PM

only thing i can think of is not allying them until after they signed peace.

welcome to the forums, btw.

**Akar** · October 19, 2011, 02:25 PM

What Dan says is true. But when you vassalized them they should have been pulled out of the war...

**nhytgbvfeco2** · October 19, 2011, 04:09 PM

no, they don't do that, every time i tried vassalising when not leading the war they stayed at war

**Mewmewbewbew11** · October 19, 2011, 06:52 PM

Ty Dan

for the answer and the welcome. I agree with you Akar, logically when a nation ended a war by making the loser a vassal, other ally nations should declare peace too otherwise it's a declaration of war on the country the vassalized that nation. Honestly I don't know if that's just a game mechanic or that's the way do things back then... such a crazy time when people have to wait months to exchange messages like this one! (not to mention the possibility of the messenger's demise!)

**nhytgbvfeco2** · October 20, 2011, 03:19 AM

just dont ally until they peace out and you dont have to worry about being dragged into a war.

**MagyarCroat** · October 20, 2011, 04:15 AM

Also, if you actually intend to help your allies it is best to declare war yourself with the alliance CB, so you can make your own terms with all belligerent parties. I frickin' hate any war where I'm not the war leader, as the computer is an idiot.

**nhytgbvfeco2** · October 20, 2011, 08:10 AM

that might bring you some extra trouble at times such as cascading alliances that the ai didnt call in against your ally (if say your ally is being attacked)

**Mewmewbewbew11** · October 20, 2011, 10:12 PM

Magyar: Yeah I hate that too lol, in my second game I played the british and had Danish as my main ally, they were very aggressive declaring war after war and dragging me into it xD, but most of the time I did the work (which I don't mind much since I keep getting army tradition and prestige which was nice and their war usually at nations around them which was pretty far away from me and I wouldn't want any of the land since I'd have to split up my troop to defend it). Until they found their way to the new world and declare war on the natives. The first war in the north america (I think it was against cherokee) they called the war early and got 2k ducat as compensation... I was pissed xD, and then the second war was against the Incas and they got 7k ducat!!! while I did all the work... I was super pissed and from then I learned my lesson, now if an ally call me to war for a war that they started I go after the target I want and then make peace after, screw my ally lol. I sometimes declare separate war like you said, depending on the situation I guess for a reason that Dan said. If an ally call to me for a war they started I usually wait a month before the call expire to make sure which nations has actually joined the war that I need to deal with, declaring a new war with alliance CB can sometimes brought out new enemies that I didn't suspect. (I learned this the hard way when I was playing the british and used an alliance CB on Aragon, their allies came to help BUT one of them also called on their ally France and all of a sudden I was at war with the largest nation in the game at the time lol)