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    BAGHDAD (AP) — The U.S. is abandoning plans to keep U.S. troops in Iraq past a year-end withdrawal deadline, The Associated Press has learned. The decision to pull out fully by January will effectively end more than eight years of U.S. involvement in the Iraq war, despite ongoing concerns about its security forces and the potential for instability.
    The decision ends months of hand-wringing by U.S. officials over whether to stick to a Dec. 31 withdrawal deadline that was set in 2008 or negotiate a new security agreement to ensure that gains made and more than 4,400 American military lives lost since March 2003 do not go to waste.
    In recent months, Washington has been discussing with Iraqi leaders the possibility of several thousand American troops remaining to continue training Iraqi security forces.
    But a senior Obama administration official in Washington confirmed Saturday that all American troops will leave Iraq except for about 160 active-duty soldiers attached to the U.S. Embassy.
    A senior U.S. military official confirmed the departure and said the withdrawal could allow future but limited U.S. military training missions in Iraq if requested.
    Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
    Throughout the discussions, Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it. Iraq’s leadership has been split on whether it wanted American forces to stay. Some argued the further training and U.S. help was vital, particularly to protect Iraq’s airspace and gather security intelligence. But others have deeply opposed any American troop presence, including Shiite militiamen who have threatened attacks on any American forces who remain.
    Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has told U.S. military officials that he does not have the votes in parliament to provide immunity to the American trainers, the U.S. military official said.
    A western diplomatic official in Iraq said al-Maliki told international diplomats he will not bring the immunity issue to parliament because lawmakers will not approve it.
    Iraqi lawmakers excel at last-minute agreements. But with little wiggle room on the immunity issue and the U.S. military needing to move equipment out as soon as possible, a last-minute change between now and December 31 seems almost out of the question.
    Regardless of whether U.S. troops are here or not, there will be a massive American diplomatic presence.
    The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is the largest in the world, and the State Department will have offices in Basra, Irbil and Kirkuk as well as other locations around the country where contractors will train Iraqi forces on U.S. military equipment they’re purchasing.
    About 5,000 security contractors and personnel will be tasked with helping protect American diplomats and facilities around the country, the State Department has said.
    The U.S. Embassy will still have a handful of U.S. Marines for protection and 157 U.S. military personnel in charge of facilitating weapons sales to Iraq. Those are standard functions at most American embassies around the world and would be considered part of the regular embassy staff.
    When the 2008 agreement requiring all U.S. forces leave Iraq was passed, many U.S. officials assumed it would inevitably be renegotiated so that American forces could stay longer.
    The U.S. said repeatedly this year it would entertain an offer from the Iraqis to have a small force stay behind, and the Iraqis said they would like American military help. But as the year wore on and the number of American troops that Washington was suggesting could stay behind dropped, it became increasingly clear that a U.S. troop presence was not a sure thing.
    The issue of legal protection for the Americans was the deal-breaker.
    Iraqis are still angry over incidents such as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal or Haditha, when U.S. troops killed Iraqi civilians in Anbar province, and want American troops subject to Iraqi law.
    American commanders don’t want to risk having their forces end up in an Iraqi courtroom if they’re forced to defend themselves in a still-hostile environment.
    It is highly unlikely that Iraqi lawmakers would have the time to approve a U.S. troop deal even if they wanted to. The parliament is in recess on its Hajj break until Nov. 20, leaving just a few weeks for legislative action before the end of year deadline.
    Going down to zero by the end of this year would allow both al-Maliki and President Barack Obama to claim victory. Obama will have fulfilled a key campaign promise to end the war and al-Maliki will have ended the American presence in Iraq and restored Iraqi sovereignty.
    The Iraqi prime minister was also under intense pressure from his anti-American allies, the Sadrists, to reject any American military presence.
    An advisor close to al-Maliki said the Americans suggested during negotiations that if no deal is reached in time, U.S. troops could be stationed in Kuwait.
    With the U.S. military presence in Iraq currently at about 41,000 and heading down to zero, almost all of those forces will be flowing out of Iraq into Kuwait and then home or other locations.
    A western expert in Iraq said it is conceivable that if the Iraqi government asks early next year for U.S. troops to return, there will be forces still in Kuwait able to come back and do the job.
    But he stressed that the core problems still remain on the Iraqi side about what types of legal immunity to give the American troops and whether parliament can pass it.
    Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
    This is the end.
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    Default Re: U.S. drops plans to keep troops in Iraq

    Another American victory.

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    Default Re: U.S. drops plans to keep troops in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Now! View Post
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    No way would Obama keep troops in Iraq for another year, especially with elections coming up next year.
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    It's about immunity, and without it, there is no way we stay. Although, I'm sure a significant contingent of special operations/CT will continue to operate out of the embassy under special circumstances that wont be disclosed publicly. And I wouldn't be surprised if it operates as the communications/signals intelligence apparatus for Iraq, for the foreseeable future.
    The U.S. Embassy will still have a handful of U.S. Marines for protection and 157 U.S. military personnel in charge of facilitating weapons sales to Iraq. Those are standard functions at most American embassies around the world and would be considered part of the regular embassy staff.

    and the State Department will have offices in Basra, Irbil and Kirkuk as well as other locations around the country where contractors will train Iraqi forces on U.S. military equipment they're purchasing.

    About 5,000 security contractors and personnel will be tasked with helping protect American diplomats and facilities around the country, the State Department has said.
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    Absolutely no troops outside the massive American Embassy complex? Seems hard to believe.

    What if this country revolts?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    What if this country revolts?
    Iran would not allow a rebellion in Iraq, which is its pseudo-puppet already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post

    What if this country revolts?
    Who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    Who cares?
    Oil price would rise super high, you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    Who cares?
    i think alot of people would. Especially after all the money your Military Industrial Complex has forced your country to spend.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    i think alot of people would. Especially after all the money your Military Industrial Complex has forced your country to spend.
    So your suggestion would be to keep troops there indefinitely?

    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Oil price would rise super high, you know.
    Well, it's a good thing we're planning on importing more oil from Canada, like over 80% in the next 20 years.
    Last edited by Imperial; October 15, 2011 at 04:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    So your suggestion would be to keep troops there indefinitely?
    i would have thought American planners would keep a sizeable number there in case of local paradigm shifts. Remember, this isnt about "morality" or what is "right" for the troops or locals. This is about American national interests and power projection. Nothing wrong with this in international relations.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    Who cares?
    so its fine you wasted so much money on a useless war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Absolutely no troops outside the massive American Embassy complex? Seems hard to believe.

    What if this country revolts?
    Exterminate Populace, make a shite load of money.

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    Default Re: U.S. drops plans to keep troops in Iraq

    Good. Its about time the US finally leaves for good.

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    ... Of our elaborate plans, the end.

    This is excellent news, my friends. I hope this stays on schedule. I am also awaiting for the beginning of withdrawals in Afghanistan as well. The American people are so done hearing about these conflicts.
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    Fantastic. That is all.
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    Default Re: U.S. drops plans to keep troops in Iraq

    after what Charles said, perhaps you're right.




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    Default Re: U.S. drops plans to keep troops in Iraq

    An oil guy once told me in Pall Mall that it takes at least 90 days for a rise in oil prices to actually affect the cost of a person filling up his/her tank (it takes about 3 months for the the higher priced oil to get to the market), but oil companies put the price up straight away so sellers have to too. If the oil price falls, they wait 90 days to cut the price at the pump. They call this 90 day period "Snake oil sales", as its money for nothing as well as waiting for the higher priced oil to "snake" its way to market.




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    Default Re: U.S. drops plans to keep troops in Iraq

    After trashing a house during an out of control party, the yanks have finally called it a night.

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    a party generating lots of GDP though. I like such parties
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