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    The Election process is going to change so that some elements are out of the player's direct control. No longer will a simple majority vote determine the outcome of elections. Two assemblies will also cast votes in elections, ten for each group for each office.

    Comitia Centuriata


    Historically responsible for most magistrate elections in the early Republic and dominated by the patricians, the Comitia Centuriata has lost much of its former power by the end of the 2nd century BCE. Yet even in these twilight days it exerts a significant impact on the electoral process of high Republican office, including the Consulate, the Praetorship, the Censorship and the election of governors. The more favor one has with the patricians, the more likely one is to gain the favor of the Comitia Centuriata as a whole. The Patricians still exert the power of the client-patron relationship and can influence their clients to vote in a particular way.

    The higher the amount of Patrician points a candidate has, the higher percentage of the vote he will receive. The sum of all candidate patrician points will be added and the number of each candidate will be a fraction of that number. That percentage then determines how many of the ten votes go to each candidate. For example:

    Aulus has 3 patrician points, Quintus has 7 and Gaius has 2. All three are running for the consulship. Given their amount of favor with the patrician class, Aulus receives two votes, Quintus receives 6 votes, and Gaius receives two votes.

    The Comitia Centuriata will affect elections by casting ten votes for Consuls, Censors, Praetors, and Proconsulates.


    Concilium Plebis


    The Concilium Plebis, the political organization led by the tribunes, is a growing power during the late Republic. Their decrees carry the power of law and their representatives can stop government by the use of a single word. The Plebeians carry the most sway among the junior magistracies.

    The higher the amount of Plebeian points a candidate has, the higher percentage of the vote he will receive. The sum of all candidate patrician points will be added and the number of each candidate will be a fraction of that number.

    Special Rules for the Concilium Plebis

    Tribunes may propose legislation directly to the Concilium Plebis. If passed, this legislation becomes binding law. A random roll with a modifier taking into account the tribune's popularity with the people will determine whether or not the legislation passes.

    The Concilium Plebis will cast ten votes in each of the following magistrate elections: Tribune of the Plebeians, Quaestor, (Aedile)
    Last edited by Pontifex Maximus; December 09, 2011 at 10:10 AM.

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    What about the first elections?

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    I think we need more ways of getting Patrician points if possible
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    Should be able to bid on these votes. Minimum bid of 1 point and can only bid in whole numbers. Can bid for multiple votes a turn. Whoever bids most on a vote gets to choose where it goes.

    EX: Aetius bribes the following way
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    1
    1
    0
    0
    0
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    and Ponti bids
    1
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    Aetius would get the first 3 votes and Ponti gets 5-9. 4 is tied and has a 50/50 chance of going to either. 10 isn't influenced so votes randomly like the good little NPC it is. All points are used permanently.

    DS is right, we need more ways of getting patrician points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Darling View Post
    What about the first elections?
    Won't be in effect until term 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Storm View Post
    I think we need more ways of getting Patrician points if possible
    That's in the works

    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    Should be able to bid on these votes. Minimum bid of 1 point and can only bid in whole numbers. Can bid for multiple votes a turn. Whoever bids most on a vote gets to choose where it goes.

    EX: Aetius bribes the following way
    2
    3
    2
    1
    1
    1
    0
    0
    0
    0

    and Ponti bids
    1
    0
    1
    1
    2
    2
    1
    1
    1
    0

    Aetius would get the first 3 votes and Ponti gets 5-9. 4 is tied and has a 50/50 chance of going to either. 10 isn't influenced so votes randomly like the good little NPC it is. All points are used permanently.

    DS is right, we need more ways of getting patrician points.
    Not enough points are going to be awarded for that kind of spending, very unlikely anyone would be able to bid anything for most elections.

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    It was an extreme example. Most of the time people would just influence one guy (if anyone at all), not like anyone needs 10 extra votes.
    Jon had taken Donal and Benjen’s advice to heart: Sam may be fat and pathetic, but he is still a member of the watch, and one of the few black brothers who isn't a rapist or thief. (out of context, this sounds ridiculously racist)
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    You will need at least some to win. Effectively the results of elections are now influenced by NPC elements, either the mob or patricians, which necessitates roleplay. The same person is elected time and time again just because they have an administrator badge, for example.

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    Should we have like starting points?

    For instance, I'm looking to be on the Furia, who are one of the most ancient and noble patrician families[1] (Could have been Julii, but that would be too mainstream) and I thought that it might be a good idea to have starting points to give a background to our characters.

    I suggest that we start out with a choice of 7 points and we can choose between Plebian, Patrician, and legionary. For those people who want to be men of the people, you can be plebians. For those who want to command legions in the field and have their background as military leaders, military points, and for patricians who wish to keep the plebs down, you have patrician points.

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    That's a good idea. When I make the "Start doing things because the game is starting" post I might include something like that.

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    Additionally, we could also do a thing where we could "cash in" points for increased starting money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    The same person is elected time and time again just because they have an administrator badge, for example.
    Yeah...
    Quote Originally Posted by cfmonkey45 View Post
    Should we have like starting points?

    For instance, I'm looking to be on the Furia, who are one of the most ancient and noble patrician families[1] (Could have been Julii, but that would be too mainstream) and I thought that it might be a good idea to have starting points to give a background to our characters.

    I suggest that we start out with a choice of 7 points and we can choose between Plebian, Patrician, and legionary. For those people who want to be men of the people, you can be plebians. For those who want to command legions in the field and have their background as military leaders, military points, and for patricians who wish to keep the plebs down, you have patrician points.
    Support! Also like the cash idea, but maybe we could be allowed to use that "extra" starting money to buy ships/farms before the game starts? Would be good for RP since some of our chars have backgrounds in business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Okmin View Post
    Yeah...

    Support! Also like the cash idea, but maybe we could be allowed to use that "extra" starting money to buy ships/farms before the game starts? Would be good for RP since some of our chars have backgrounds in business.
    That was the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfmonkey45 View Post
    That was the idea.
    I like it.

    Also, I feel like the Patrician points are better than Populist. All you get from the Plebs is Tribune and Quaestor. We should move something down to balance it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
    I like it.

    Also, I feel like the Patrician points are better than Populist. All you get from the Plebs is Tribune and Quaestor. We should move something down to balance it out.
    That did balance it considerably. Patrician points were all but worthless until this change. Its very easy to just support a populist bill and get pleb points every year, it encourages people to choose a route and stick to it

    And I don't think any trade points in for cash thing is going to happen.

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    Can't move anything down, that would be ahistorical. We need more uses for the more-numerous populist points, though.
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    Which year we are starting this game? 60BC or later?
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    60 BCE, but we won't be starting with more or less territory than last time

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    Why are you changing the start date?
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    To give us a more historical timeline

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