We have reached

[Pontifex Maximus]

A point where we need to make a decision.

Two players have ragequit for what I consider be to dumb reasons, but I fear that unless we address these issues more will follow. The problem seems to be that magicman has a system , a system which works and I consider to be fair, but others don't think so. Aetius wants rules he can point to to see how and why a battle turned out the way it did. I don't think we will ever be able to make a system that will ever work 100% like that, but let's try our best. We need to flesh out our battle system, that's for sure, as well as about half a dozen other things. So we have to make a decision and here are our options:

1. Keep going until the civil war is over, rework the rules and put the game on pause whoever wins

2. Stop the game, redo the rules, restart

3. Stop the game now, redo the rules, continue as per normal when we finish.

4.

How about option 2 and we take it back to Carthage, they don't revolt and the Numidians stay by the walls. We would have won that battle anyway. No note is sent to Adherbal, and Jugurtha doesn't intercept it, meaning that they don't attack each other, so Jugurtha doesn't retreat into the desert, we don't get stuck trying to get him and then trying to stop the uprising, you don't get angry and move our legions, and the Senate doesn't split. In a way the entire thing started because of that one note, lets not let that note happen.

Note: Everything posted in the Severus tent has been a lie. All of Severus' legions including a sizable force of Spanish auxilaries are 1 day away from engaging all of Corva's forces. There is no threat in Spain and the threat in Germany has been temporarily stalled. I'm saying this now so if we choose to continue this won't just blow up again seconds after we reach a decision.

[cfmonkey45]

For the record, I haven't rage quit. I've threatened to, but not actually done anything.

EDIT: Tbh, I think as an interim, it would be a good idea to have a neutral source that we both agree to, like RTW

We join a hamachi server and play online. If someone cannot play, then a mod can play for them.

That way, it's person v person. Right now, I have no idea how MM is modding these battles. The first one was acceptable because it was roughly equal. My big beef was that my strategy to anticipate what exactly happened randomly failed, which is a point of contention.

[Pontifex Maximus]

For the record, I haven't rage quit. I've threatened to, but not actually done anything.

EDIT: Tbh, I think as an interim, it would be a good idea to have a neutral source that we both agree to, like RTW

We join a hamachi server and play online. If someone cannot play, then a mod can play for them.

That way, it's person v person. Right now, I have no idea how MM is modding these battles. The first one was acceptable because it was roughly equal. My big beef was that my strategy to anticipate what exactly happened randomly failed, which is a point of contention.

No, we won't be relying on TW engines. That limits our playerbase too much and goes down a road that I walked for two years with YATS that I would be loathe to do again. We need to make a system everyone acknowledges as fair and go from there.

[Pontifex Maximus]

I wasn't referring to you

[Dark Storm]

1. create too much argument
2. Noooooooooo
3. Yeah sure why not



And what in ponti's name is a hamachi server?

[Pontifex Maximus]

read the updated OP please

[Dark Storm]

Sorry, what does op mean as well?

[Magicman2051]

Original Post

[Dark Storm]

Thank you

[Pontifex Maximus]

I'm leaning option #2 at this point just because I'm already fed up with drama.

[Dark Storm]

Ok, which forces are you talking about, when you say you are close?

[Pontifex Maximus]

All my forces and Spanish auxilaries. Like 70,000 troops plus the best infantry Rome has to offer. I could probably order them to pick their noses for ten minutes before battle and I would still win. I just wan to let everyone know what they are getting into now since it was going to be a surprise attack.

[Dark Storm]

How about option 2 and we take it back to Carthage, they don't revolt and the Numidians stay by the walls. We would have won that battle anyway. No note is sent to Adherbal, and Jugurtha doesn't intercept it, meaning that they don't attack each other, so Jugurtha doesn't retreat into the desert, we don't get stuck trying to get him and then trying to stop the uprising, you don't get angry and move our legions, and the Senate doesn't split. In a way the entire thing started because of that one note, lets not let that note happen.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Well that's an option we could do too, essentially the last two weeks would be erased, no income or anything.

[Dark Storm]

Yep but better than erasing the last two months

[Pontifex Maximus]

We need everyone to comment so we can figure out what to do. If you don't care what happens just specify

[Raglan]

missed most of it anyway. so i'm happy with whatever.

however i will point out my post in the dacian ooc. The stuff about gstk and the battle system is a very valid one. We're still arguing about it and the game has been around for years. We need to find a system that people are happy with.

my suggestion then, would be a dice system, with moderated bonus's. So if the mod felt your strategy was perticularly good, you'd get say a +10 to your D20 roll on whatever flank. And so forth (obviously needs fleshing out, but you get the idea)

[Pontifex Maximus]

yeah, that will happen for sure Raglan. We're not going to start again until there's a system everyone says ok to. No more fighting about it

[M D]

Ok heres an idea, just an idea

Each side sends in a grand battle plan for this upcoming battle, total RP, speeches etc. It then gets sent to a random mod, maybe one from GSTK who knows his stuff. No rolls are used, and it is purely RP.

[Pontifex Maximus]

nah