Barron's Alliance Script

**Toho** · October 13, 2011, 11:34 AM

is it possible to make the Baron's script work with several factions? for example instead of just having barons alliance for england, you have it for scotland, Ireland and Norway too...all at the same time?

also is it possible that if the Irish Barons Alliance rebel can they be a diffrent faction than the english Barons alliance faction?

thanks for the reply

**TNZ** · October 13, 2011, 06:21 PM

Toho: The barons_alliance faction is really just a shadow faction with an extra scripted way of emerging. So as long as you have enough room to add three extra factions, you can have a shadow faction for the Scotland, Ireland and Norway factions, and yes you can make each one of those factions emerge in exactly the same way as the barons_alliance faction does.

Though this is not directly related to your question, there is probably no need for the emerging faction to actually be the shadow faction of the faction it is emerging from.

**AJStoner** · October 13, 2011, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by TNZ

Though this is not directly related to your question, there is probably no need for the emerging faction to actually be the shadow faction of the faction it is emerging from.

This is correct.

**Kiliç Alì** · October 17, 2011, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by TNZ

Though this is not directly related to your question, there is probably no need for the emerging faction to actually be the shadow faction of the faction it is emerging from.

I think this is a first answer.
In pratics, you make a shadow-fation for SE, one for ME, one for NE and go on... And then you script te conditions of their emergeance.
The limit is, once the shadow faction emerged from a faction, then other faction with the same culture won't suffer any rebellion, right?
Bellum Crucis has such a feature, there is a Barons'Alliance faction that can emerge from european factions and an Emirs'Union faction (not sure about the name) for islamic ones.
So, acually, yes, it is possible, and shouldn't be so difficult IMO.

**Toho** · October 13, 2011, 07:05 PM

well the thing is what im trying to do is very role play oriented if i remeber correctly in Britannia campaign if your leader had low authority and generals had low loyalty then the barons were more likely to show up. so is what i just said truth or am i wrong? and if it is truth and as you have said this can be applied to any faction to have this "shadow" faction as you said with the same functions? thanks a lot

i need it emerging because i need something similar to "the minor lords of BlaBla have rebelled against you for X reason" and i want it this faction to act as a regular faction that attacks, makes alliances and etc. not just some random rebel faction that just sits there with its finger in its nose XD

**AJStoner** · October 13, 2011, 08:16 PM

Shadow factions are full-fledged players once they spawn, they do everything the other factions do.

**Toho** · October 13, 2011, 08:21 PM

thank you very much

**Noobio** · October 14, 2011, 03:52 AM

is it possible to give the option to the player, to become the shadow-emerging-faction upon its creation ?

let's say right afterwards, with a yes/no event?

as in taking the "rebels" side and fighting against his former self ?

**AJStoner** · October 14, 2011, 10:48 AM

You could do that in the first MTW but not now. Sadly a bunch of good things from the first game were lost...

**Kiliç Alì** · October 15, 2011, 07:05 PM

I don't think so.
I think you can, but this will mean a lot of work.
Let's say we have an England and a Baron Factions. You are england.
Basically, you make a y\n event BEFORE the new faction emerges. then:
YES -> you are still England, and barons emerges. nothing new
NO -> england change its banner and its name into Barons (like Kalmar union script), new generals are spawned and old ones are removed.England faction re-emerges for the settlements England should own; of course, this would require a lot of work with the campaign_script.

**AJStoner** · October 15, 2011, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kiliç Alì

I don't think so.
I think you can, but this will mean a lot of work.
Let's say we have an England and a Baron Factions. You are england.
Basically, you make a y\n event BEFORE the new faction emerges. then:
YES -> you are still England, and barons emerges. nothing new
NO -> england change its banner and its name into Barons (like Kalmar union script), new generals are spawned and old ones are removed.England faction re-emerges for the settlements England should own; of course, this would require a lot of work with the campaign_script.

This could work but the problem I see is the number of territories each would have. The BA comes in with a small number and if this were made to turn into England (because you, as England, chose the rebels) then the rebellion would come into possession of most of England's land right off the bat, and likely in control of London to boot. Also, I'm not sure how transforming 2 faction at once would affect the game.

**Polycarpe** · October 16, 2011, 05:43 PM

Got a question regarding the script, instead to link a shadow faction to a faction, how about a culture? My idea is to make a shadow faction to the player for any factions he will play, since it's limited to the number of faction maybe that would work like a shadow faction (emergent) that represent all the northern_european factions, same for southern_european, etc. Do you think it's possible?

**Toho** · October 17, 2011, 09:45 AM

so lets say i have 10 factions, 7 of these faction have a shadow faction and the other 3 share one shadow faction.

when the player's shadow faction rebels he gets to choose either side (by switching name, icon & territories owned)?

and lets say the choosing the rebel side is actually possible does that mean when the shadow faction that rebels against the now new rebel faction would be the same? that would mean the shadow faction would be rebelling itself right?

**Kiliç Alì** · October 17, 2011, 09:49 AM

ok. this means 7+7+3+1 = 18 faction slots. and right, basically the new rebel faction rebels against itself

**Polycarpe** · October 17, 2011, 03:37 PM

Thanks to confirm me this info, now I need to try to figure it out how to do this with culture instead of faction per say.

**Kiliç Alì** · October 17, 2011, 03:56 PM

But I mean, can't you even use the script selecting by faction instead of culture, since you know wich culture each faction is?

**Polycarpe** · October 17, 2011, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kiliç Alì

But I mean, can't you even use the script selecting by faction instead of culture, since you know wich culture each faction is?

If Bellum Crecis did it, it must be possible, I am kinda a starter on script so I can't really say but this thread may have the necessary info but I don't udnerstand it.